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Old May 26, 2009 | 11:17 AM
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My original post simply said there were two flakey claims in the eBay advertisement. They were serious enough to cast serious doubt on the validity of the rest of the claims. In effect, you have verified that they were unintentional errors. Hopefully, the corrections will help the seller regain credibility, and have a better chance of selling the vehicle.... a win-win situation.

The 127.7MPH pass was on a 125-shot.

PS: Not to bust your 'nads any further, but it's MoTeC



Haha! Well thanks for busting my nuts again. But thanks, I'm pretty good at putting my foot in my own mouth. Its taught me to be humble pretty well.

I was advised that this misprint was my fault. Not sure if I put ZR1 instead of ZL1 on his work order originally when we did the work. But when you consider that I can remember useless information like the wire color for the B/Map sensor on an 89 Ford 5.0, you can understand how I could make these types of mistakes.

I can vouch for the car though. Its a clean car and it deserves a good home. All the work was done using nothing but the best parts and I'm pretty maticulous when it comes to the work I do.

Take it easy guys.

John


Z28SORR....I can understand the cost with Lingenfelter. One of the reasons why I don't have a shop anymore. The overhead is a killer in this business. There are plenty of other businesses one could own that would net them a much greater return on their investment. So....most people in this business usually do it for the love of it all. Hence....the reason why we should support the good vendors out there, Lingenfelter included. Because lord knows, they've given me back every $$ I spent with them in parts via tech support over the years. An awesome group of people if I say so myself.
Old May 26, 2009 | 03:58 PM
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Originally Posted by JSAautomotive
Haha!
Z28SORR....I can understand the cost with Lingenfelter. One of the reasons why I don't have a shop anymore. The overhead is a killer in this business. There are plenty of other businesses one could own that would net them a much greater return on their investment. So....most people in this business usually do it for the love of it all. Hence....the reason why we should support the good vendors out there, Lingenfelter included. Because lord knows, they've given me back every $$ I spent with them in parts via tech support over the years. An awesome group of people if I say so myself.
This wasn't a comment on the people. I don't personally know anyone from there. But even if you are generous, there can't be more then ~$6,000 in parts, retail. That leaves $12,000 for labor. So without the "Name" what do you really have? A plan green Camaro? It's not even an SS! Sorry, it wasn't worth $42,000 new and it's not worth $13,000 now!!! IMO.
Old May 26, 2009 | 05:08 PM
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Hi guys,

I'm listing this car for one of the most precise and meticulous drummers in the world Mr. Dave Weckl. http://www.daveweckl.com. He probably would not want me to reveal his name out of humility but I can't stand it any longer when I hear words like "flaky" and "claim".

I was not "contracted" to sell this car, Dave simply does not have enough time to list it. During this listing, he was in Greece on tour for example. I have time for this and use ebay all the time. My rating is at 100% with 914 transactions. I've sold many things and my feedback speaks for itself. My ebay name is also combustables.

This is probably the cleanest most documented Lingenfelter car around. It does 0-60mph in 4.x seconds all with your kid strapped in the back seat.

BTW, Have you guys looked at the price of turnkey engines lately? LS1's for $6500, LS3's are around $8500 and an LS7 without any engine management stuff is close to $13000 dollars. I don't think I've seen a single long block SBC anything lately for under 4K. This LT1 documented Lingenfelter car is a great deal even at $12K.

Dave is very interested in a corvette C6 Z06 and having driven one myself I don't blame him. The person who gets this car will be very happy with the quality and the performance.

John, I've heard about your work on Dave's old 69 vette way back? I even remember seing pics years ago on Dave's very first web site. Too bad your shop doesn't exist on the east coast. Good luck on your next project.

Thanks to all for chiming in. Very interesting and informative comments.

Lee
Old May 27, 2009 | 07:53 AM
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Originally Posted by Z28SORR
This wasn't a comment on the people. I don't personally know anyone from there. But even if you are generous, there can't be more then ~$6,000 in parts, retail. That leaves $12,000 for labor. So without the "Name" what do you really have? A plan green Camaro? It's not even an SS! Sorry, it wasn't worth $42,000 new and it's not worth $13,000 now!!! IMO.
Well....from a consumer standpoint, I can see your point. But from being in the industry for over 30 years now and having had a shop for 10, I can understand why Lingenfelter gets the money he gets to do what he does. The hassle alone of getting CARB & EPA approval for packages you might be selling is a pain in the ****.

$42K isn't a big deal when I would easily spend 10-20 grand of a customers pocketbook putting together a package, building it, installing it AND doing all the ness stuff that goes along with building said package.
Old May 27, 2009 | 09:09 AM
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Well....from a consumer standpoint, I can see your point. But from being in the industry for over 30 years now and having had a shop for 10, I can understand why Lingenfelter gets the money he gets to do what he does. The hassle alone of getting CARB & EPA approval for packages you might be selling is a pain in the ****.

$42K isn't a big deal when I would easily spend 10-20 grand of a customers pocketbook putting together a package, building it, installing it AND doing all the ness stuff that goes along with building said package.
The trouble is you are confusing COST with VALUE. Just because it cost Lingenfelter $20,000 to do something, that doesn't mean it's worth $20,000 on the market, especially today! I'm quite aware of why it cost him what it does. Which is why it's so hard for small shops to become big shops.
Bottom line is it's only worth what someone well pay, and it doesn't look like anyone is going to pay this much.

P.S. Maybe I'm wrong! Looks like we have a bid?

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Old May 28, 2009 | 04:19 PM
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weather we collectively see this particular camaro as valuable, some one did, therefore I say congrats on the sale and hopefully there is another proud LTX owner out there
Old May 28, 2009 | 04:46 PM
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Originally Posted by combustables
Hi guys,

I'm listing this car for one of the most precise and meticulous drummers in the world Mr. Dave Weckl. http://www.daveweckl.com. He probably would not want me to reveal his name out of humility but I can't stand it any longer when I hear words like "flaky" and "claim".
Woah, Dave Weckl, really? That's pretty cool. I remember reading about him when I was playing drums a few years back.

Wouldn't saying the car is his make it worth alot more though?
Old May 29, 2009 | 05:25 AM
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Originally Posted by combustables
Hi guys,

I'm listing this car for one of the most precise and meticulous drummers in the world Mr. Dave Weckl. http://www.daveweckl.com. He probably would not want me to reveal his name out of humility but I can't stand it any longer when I hear words like "flaky" and "claim".
.....
Lee
Why do you object to the use of those words? Both of them were 100% correct. There were two claims in that eBay advertisement that were proven to be totally incorrect. Whoever wrote the ad made mistakes that hurt the sellers chances. Don't blame me for pointing it out. Interesting that a bid was received AFTER the corrections were made.

Old May 29, 2009 | 09:33 AM
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Not sure I'm buying this as a third party bidder. Wouldn't be the first time someone had a phony bidder to try and get things started. Look at the bid history.
Old May 31, 2009 | 08:10 PM
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Sweet ride and interesting discussion. I've never heard of Dave Weckl, but my drummer friend has. Check out http://www.daveweckl.com/newsletter/septnews.htm. Dave himself talks about the car!
Old Jul 2, 2009 | 10:45 PM
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hopefully the END to this thread!

Hi all… after selling my car, I figured I’d check back in and see where this thread eventually ended. I was keeping up with it for a minute, admittedly having trouble not responding to the petty BS that I was reading from a few responders…. Geeze guys… you need to lighten up (and thanks to my friends for standing up for me and the car!)
Ok, there were ‘mistakes’ made in the add.. SORRY! I was merely copying and pasting info… the bottom line… this car was intended to be honestly represented… seems some people should ASK questions instead of crucifying the informer, but I guess it feels good to some to boast about their knowledge and other’s mistakes, rather than actually do some homework and find out the answers. At any rate, the nice guy that bought this car was stoked, and should be… this was a great car, done by, and maintained by professionals. Good on you all that have the knowledge and time to do things on a budget. I spend my time making music, so I have to pay others that know what they’re doing to do the job. The real bottom line; a car is worth only what it’s worth to someone that wants it… My Lingenfelter Z has a nice new home, for the asking price. End of story… Cya all… and enjoy the music if you get the chance to check it out! daveweckl.com…. Dave
Old Jul 3, 2009 | 06:40 AM
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Actually..... you wrote an "ad"..... not an "add".

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