wow, never seen so much excitement for onstar. I can bet it'll come standard with onstar...most GM's do.

 

I hope your being sarcastic, cause I'd never want to pay a subscription and it'd be ugly just sitting the the dash like that.

 

He may be retarded, but he's funny. Most entertaining posts I've read in a while, including yours SMUJ

 

Funny damn post! And as much as I hate to admit it (being the proud one owner of an 85 IROC Z WITH T-tops) the guy has a point.
I feel as though I can speak somewhat intelligently on this issue, as I am a lifelong resident of the great state of South Carolina, always vying for the title of Redneck and Contemporary Mullet Capitol of the US.
Down here, we see mullets flying in the wind in December as these Cretins of Cool ride around in their (mostly 4th gen now) Camaros and Firebirds with the tops off. It doesn't matter the temperature, they just wear bigger jackets and crank their heaters. And speaking of crank and such things, you can usally tell the guys who also run a crystal meth lab, because their cars are usually restored or in great original shape, save a few SERIOUS dents or collision damage from when the 24 hour a day party got just a little out of hand.
They like these cars because they can afford them now, thanks to depreciation, and one day, when they become more and more collectible, they'll sell them off. The EXACT same thing happened to the first gens around here, I witnessed it myself. They just didn't have t-tops. Right now, the t-top is the roof of choice for the Mullet Men and Women (yes women with mullets, there are a lot of them here) of America. We owners of t-top cars just have to be patient and wait it out.
In the meantime, please no t-top on the new car. You just can't do it without seriously screwing up the appearance of the car!

 

Funny *** post; SCARY *** post. Dude, WHERE did you have that Knight Rider pic and why would you admit via the post that you did have it?! Seriously though, good stuff!

 

I could give a crap about onstar, but I do have to say after owning 9 camaros, wait I am on 10 now. Anywho, some were t-tops, one was a convertible and MOST were hardtops. I HOPE THEY DO AWAY WITH T-TOPS. THEY SUCK!!!!!!!! BTW I dont want them to ruin the roof of that sweet concept.

 

I found it in a google search while writing that post... I used to watch both the knight rider shows and smokey and bandit as a kid

 

My brothers girlfriend drives one of them in black. lol At least I'm pretty sure that's what it is.

 

That's pretty much why I don't want it. I'd rather not have to see if when I won't be willing to pay the fee...

 

No, I thought I heard that they were making onstar standard on all "non-fleet" vehicles. I'm pretty sure it came standard on my '05 trailblazer. You don't have to pay for anything...just don't re-new it. It's built into the rear-view mirror, so it's not on the dash. As long as they can hide the antenna (like I'm sure they do on the 'vette), it's pretty out of sight.

That said, if I had the choice, I wouldn't order it either.

 

tell that to my wallet. i have dropped over 9 grand in my 85 t/a the last year to make it what i want

also, i work on lots of different cars, and even though the f body's build quality was not up to par with some of the other cars out at the time, the third gen dash is built much better then the 4th gen dash. regardless of what gen you own, the f body's dash is light years ahead of the mustangs dash in any year.

btw, my 89 iroc has t- tops and i only bought it because at the time i could not find a hard top worth buying, but i like them now, but still prefer the hard top.

 

Good grief. Where do I begin?

Camaros and T-tops go together. Something like 60-70% of all 4th gen Camaros had T-tops. Hardly a throwback to the 80s. Camaro buyers tended to be older and tended to have 2nd and even 3rd cars. Camaro buyers also tended to keep their cars in the garage for weekends. We are talking NEW car buyers here bub, not some mid-west yahoo driving around in 2006 in a 1983 Camaro or a crystal-meth dude running around in a 10 year old 4th gen.

2nd, I don't know what bars or places of questionable women you frequent, or how much your car buying decision is guided by feeding "Mr. Happy", but I assure you that the so-called "dirt-ball" car image you think women have of the car doesn't extend to bi-pedal types. The only women I can think of that look down on Camaros are the types that judge their men on the letters B-M-W. Those types aren't intrested in you (or me) anyway. And the feelings should be mutual. Hell, my sister drives a black 4th gen Camaro.... with T-tops...... an assistant principal in Phenoix!

As far as the Challenger and what you call the "Moostang", keep in mind that if it wasn't for the Mustang, there would have never been a Camaro. And for a second time, Camaro owes it's existence on the success of the Mustang. As for the "jellybean" comment, if you say the 350,000+ Mustangs that have been sold the past 2 years look that way, then so be it. The public seems to love it.

Meanwhile, saying the 1st-gen-Camaro-body-look-alike Challenger looks like a "jellybean" should earn you a trip to the woodshed. At least Chrysler has approved the thing for production and it should be on the streets within the next 12-15 months. You attempted to slam is as 1970s metal and plastic. Outside of all cars being metal and plastic and the Challenger actually being a relatively nice car that's going to do well, and will no doubt turn heads on the street, you really don't have anything to stand on there. It's going to be alot bigger than Camaro or Mustang, and I can easily see it snagging more than a few Monte Carlo SS buyers.


I was blown away by the new Camaro concept as much as the next guy, and was actually there at the NAIAS unveiling. I first hand heard the press, reps from other companies, investment firm reps, vips, and the throngs of other invited guests gasp at the 1st look, then chatter incseeantly anongst themselves and people on the other end of their cell phones about the new Camaro. There's alot of other people here who also were there who will tell you the same thing.

But I think most of us here realize that we are competing against Nissan, Toyota, Honda, Hyundai, & Kia. These guys will never successfully capture what Mustang, Challenger, or Camaro are all about. I'm a huge fan of all American performance cars. There was a day when Mustangs ran all over Camaros, and a period when Firebirds ran all over Camaros, days when Dodge ran all over Camaros, and days when Camaros ran all over them. It's silly to think one brand is always right, and to my knowledge, no car maker sends out paychecks to people who mindlessly remain loyal when those same makers refuse to make what the public and enthuisasts want.

Right now, Ford Mustang GT is the world's best performance buy bar none. It's also the most successful performance car in history. The Pontiac GTO is the world's best Grand Touring car. Nothing on the planet offers such a well built, comfortable, 400+ horse, rear drive, rear drive, 2 door, road machine like it (that seats 4 passengers comfortably) anywhere near it's $33,000 price. Both cars are at the top of my list if I were to buy a new car today. I've owned 3 4th gens and a 1st gen Camaro, a series of 5.0 Mustangs, and at least 3 SCs, so there's a bit of non-biased experience behind my opinion.


FWIW: Although the new Camaro's design make T-tops impractical, as long as Corvettes, Ferraris, Porsches, and a host of other cars have "Targa" tops, removable roofs aren't out of style...... or "mullet". This from someone hardly from Mulletville.

 

I Agree 100%

 

I dont know if I should post this here but i have one wish for this car. When this car comes out I know that it will probably have smaller tires. I hope they come out with the bigger tires at least for an option, like the Saleen mustangs have.

But my question is why is it that the low profile tires dont have white letters? The old cars look mean with them and so does trucks. I think that would look so cool. Any ideas?

 

I hope large wheels are at least an option.

But I don't like seeing lettering on tires. I'd rather have them solid black.

I remember purchasing tires for a car of mine once, and requesting they put them on with the lettering facing 'inside' the car so you couldn't see it.