no way of telling yet, but has the General ever let us down against the Mustang

 

WOW, that is such a loaded question!!!!!!

 

Well when boht were produced at the same time Camaro always won....

and I'll stick to that comment....

***Flame Suit ON***

 

Well... Debatable. (late 80s/early 90s)


This time there will be no question.

 

Not really a question of can they, but will they outpower all competition? Us as enthusiasts hope so but who knows. Depending on how well it actually does...it could very well be a possibility as a lot of people would be willing to pay it to get a car as exclusive as that.

 

Oh I understand what you're trying to say, its just that you're looking at things through an extremely narrow and biased eye.

You're nuts if you don't think that Mustang will take sales from Camaro. Of course, you're just as nuts if you don't think Camaro will take sales from Mustang too. They are direct competitors, will be priced very close to each other, will perform similarly, and will likely sell at similar rates, if averaged over a period of time.

Depends upon which metric you wish to use for the judging.

We'll leave off the period of 1964-1966 and 2003 to 2008 though, just to try and be fair.

 

Bob since you are Mustang guy through and through can you offer some insight as to what is going on inside team Mustang since the unveiling? Are they doubling efforts to refresh the current car when the new Camaro launches and do you think IRS will be available in the same time frame?

 

I dunno... That 1992 Firehawk sure was nice...

 

It would be great if that was actually made by GM and not a Formula modified by SLP.

 

Well... they DID let it die in '03... but other than that, my first camaro ('84 sport coupe) only had 125 HP. That was definitely a let down

 

OK Fine, if you're gonna be that technical... TTA then...

 

What is it that makes me a Mustang guy through and through? I've owned 3 F-bodies (one each 2nd, 3rd, and 4th gen), and a total of 5 Mustangs (2 foxes, one Fox-4, and 2 SN95s). While not exactly 'balanced', I'm certainly not a Mustang or no tang (sorry for the silly pun). That said, I have preferred recent Mustangs to recent F-bodies, and I do admit a Mustang bias.

After all that, I have to plead ignorance on what is going on in the Mustang world - ie, I simply haven't been following it, so I don't know. Truth be told, I've paid much more attention to the new Camaro than to the current or future Mustang. I will offer an opinion that the Mustang will go to IRS in the near future, with the most likely reason being to make sure they can compete head-to-head with the Camaro. I will also assume that Team Mustang won't sit around and be idle waiting for the Camaro to hit the showroom - there are only so many "pony dollars" to go around.

 

Hmmmm..... perhaps slap a supercharger on my 67?

 

You wanna be technical. The 3.8T was installed by PAS not in a GM plant. Again it is a car that was worked on by an aftermarket company before it reached the dealers. I could call that factory or aftermarket either way it was VERY nice.

 

Here's how I see it. All I care about is the final product. If it takes them 3 years to deliver, but the outcome is spectacular completely blowing away the competition of the time then it will have been worth the wait.

I want a solid structure, well sorted chassis, precisely calibrated suspension, excellent steering feel, well matched gearing, precise and short shifter throws, you get the idea! I want every control to feel like it was fine tuned to the application instead of just dusted off the old parts bin and cobbled together. In other words I don't want something that just looks great on paper or in 1/4 mile. This is what GM is just KNOWN to do unless it's a corvette or a caddy. I want the Camaro to hold it's own on the 'ring.

Not at ALL worried about powertrain options. There's little chance Ford can follow GM's lead on DoD etc to keep the power AND the MPG number high over the next 2-3 years. As often said, GM Powertrain is the diamond in the GM wasteland.