Do you sign Deblers name to your posts often?

I've been around the site much longer than my sig shows, and I know more about the 5th gen than most people know. Stephan may not be totally shooting in the dark, but saying "people have no problem paying 36000 for a V6 Mustang", as a stat to come up with pricing for a car that isn't even built yet is a bit offbase. On top of that, there is no $36,000 dollar V6 Mustang. So, like I said, speculation is pointless, and people getting all giddy about "pricing" their new Camaro when there is no procing for it, is silly, and seems like a waste of time to me. TO ME. You know, an opinion, just like what his OPINION of the pricing will be.

SO, why don't you STFU.

 

Nope, first time I thought I had pretty good handle on the coming ownage.

And Id prefer not to STFU, thank up you. However long you've been on this site it should be obvious the great majority of post in a few sections is speculation. If thats not something you're interested in then perhaps you should steer clear, as apposed to being a thread crapping douche.

 

Well, I am pretty sure Jason isn't going to come in here and "own" me because of my post...I could be wrong, but I doubt it.
This section is "news and discussion", which, as I have already said once, I interpret to mean NEWS about the 5th gen, then discussion of that news. However, I never said he shouldn't post his opinion/speculation about the car, just that it seems like a pointless endeavour.

 

Seeing how this is the next thread down... Id say he could do a lot worse...

Pointless AND already been done.

 

Unfortuantly, I don't have the motivation to tell EVERYONE to STFU
This thread only caught my attention because a friend of mine was all excited because they released the pricing for the 09 Camaro...."it's on CZ28". I had to hurt his feelings.

 

1) I like speculation, keep bringing it, spread it on!

2) The last I checked it was standard procedure for cost estimating, when there is no direct cost information regarding the product, to use a direct competitor's costs, bump it up by the appropriate inflation factor for the desired year and throw on an x factor if your product historically has a cost difference than the competitor.

3) What in the hell does it matter what an 03 mustang costs in late 2002 when we are comparing prices in 2009. that is about as relevant as using 2002 steel prices to cost estimate a bridge to be built in 2009.

4) Why people insist upon wasting their time to tell people they are doing something that is waste of time is retarded. This is not complicated, if you don't like speculation, which seems to be the majority of what is discussed when no fresh news is out, then you won't like the people that post here or what they post. So take your own advice, don't post, don't read it, don't waste your time. Everybody else here is going to go on wasting their time.

 

Well, if you KNOW I will go out and buy a new V6 Camaro for 40k, you are VERY mistaken.
If these little bull**** predictions are right, you guys will be the way you are now in 3 years.
A site with a dead overpriced car.
I don't care what the car can do NA(which is the reason I would like to have one), if they THINK I will pay 40k for a V6, and over 40k for a V8..........HAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA.
And all you guys do that support this BS, is putting the final nail in the coffin brother.
Whatever, make your bed.
If its 25k or less, I'm game. If not, I'll enjoy my 25k or less GT.

 

Price of a fully loaded 2007 V6 vert mustang today is...

$32965

Noone may buy that car and noone may buy a 2009 36k V6 vert, but they may buy a 30k vert. It is all speculation. 36k maybe correct, or it maybe high or low. It is not far off.

 

Sephiroth, Look at stars1010 price list again. He speculates a Camaro V6 Base vert at 25270 and a Mustang V6 Base vert at 26170 in 2009. If you go to the Mustang website it lists the Mustang Vert ranging from 25k-47k in 2006. After dealer incentives, his speculation in 2009 will probably give you the base camaro V6 vert for under 25k. He speculates the SS (lower v8) ranges from 28,145 to 35,285. That would be a fully loaded V8 under 40k. I guess I don't understand where you are coming up with your numbers because they definitely aren't his. Either you can't read, write or do math.

 

Thank you........... but if you noticed my lack of posting.......... I don’t even try to argue with idiots who don’t read and just flame people.........the e-***** in here are just too big for my time......I suggest you don’t waste yours either.

 

That's cool. If you can ignore it, then I'll back down as well. Sometimes I can't help but stick up for who I agree with, when very few are.

 

What really kills me about this whole thread is that someone (for the umpteenth time, but I'll pass on that this round) comes here looking for a price of a car that's 2 years away..... don't forget we can't even price the Lecrosse Super, the new Cadillac CTS, and Lincoln MKS, all due within just 12 months. Stars refers the questioner to his thread which has very reasonable assumptions, includes 2 years worth of inflation, and gets flamed by someone who IMO is quick with the mouth and slow with the brain.

Since I can't draw pictures, here's what he's done in steps.

1. Bob Lutz when pressed on pricing says the Camaro will be priced within a certain price of Mustang. I can't remember if it was a few hundred dollars or a thousand, and I don't feel like taking the time to look it up right now. Regardless, that's the ballpark.

2. Stars went to the Ford website and got the pricing of the current Mustang line, complete with options.

3. He added in 2 years worth of inflation. He figured it at an unrealistically low 3%, but with the pressures on all car makers to avoid rasing prices to match costs, and the fact that prices have risen below inflation rates for at least the past few years, 3% is probally reasonable.

Latching on to a $36K Mustang & flaming him for it is pretty bad because:

A. It's ALL obviously speculation, and at least he didn't pull these numbers out of his rear end.

B. He's the only person who had the foresight enough to realize that car prices (as with everything else we buy) isn't going to remain static for 3 years (if it does, that means we'll have deflation, which is even worse than inflation (think depression-era) and he included that in his estimates.

C. Finally, of course there's going to be very few people who are going to get a V6 Mustang with every option possible. But if they did, it's be just over $30,000 (more for the Shelby C6).

It doesn't matter where you live, or if $12 per hour buys you a mansion in Wisconsin. Minimum goes over $8 in California January 1st, and many cities in the bay area have minimum wage of $10, so $12 is alot of money in depressed areas, but won't buy you dinner for 2 at Wendys in others. In short, someone somewhere buys loaded $30K+ V6 Mustangs.... or Ford wouldn't be making them..... and neither would Shelby.

I now know why posts like that makes Scotts skin crawl.

Do me a favor pal. Do a Google search and find out what the base price of Camaro V6s were and compare that to same year Mustang V6s. Also, look at how much money GM was putting on the hood to move them. And please don't croak on us from having your foot in your mouth when you find the answers.

If dealers in your area were scalping Camaro V6s, then you were probally in the only county in the country where GM didn't have to unleash a load of cash to get people to buy them.


Current plans have NO V6 Challenger on the horizon. Not in 2008. Not in 2009. Not in 2010.

Why?

If Dodge sells alot of base level V6 Challengers, the whole program looses money.

How?

Challenger has a break even point. Say, for this example, that's somewhere around 25K per car average wholesale (and dealers tack on a few grand or more and run it at $29-30K). Now with that figure, you know that cars like Camaro & Mustang get their existence from the sales of V6 versions.

Here's Chrysler's problem:
If they sell alot of V6s (under that break even point) and they need to jack up the price of the already borderline profit Challenger to balence it out. Or they can sell a base Challenger at that $25K break even point, meaning upper 20s for a V6 Challenger when a Mustang V6 sells for about 20.

Solution, only sell the versions that will move above that pricepoint. In this case the V8.

As for volume, anyone thinking Chrysler will move 50,000 or more V8 high performance cars (to be very frank) has brain damage. If Chrysler was selling low priced V6 versions as well, then I'd say it's possible. Ford sold 10-12k $32k Cobras, 8K $29K Mach 1. Pontiac moved no more than 14K of it's $30K+ WS6 Trans Ams. Camaro SS ran about 12K as well. The entire Monte Carlo line hasn't run much over 50K per year since the begining of the decade. And that's with twice the dealers, 3/4 the price, and a full model line.

Realistically, I'd say Chrysler has a shot at running 20-30K Challengers annually, tops. Better than the GTO, but not as good as a performance sedan might do.