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Old 03-25-2009 | 02:36 PM
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I could go through me "mirror adjustment" routine, but suffice to say that if I shift my eyes left (or right) to see out the side mirror, I cannot see the back of my vehicle. However, if I shift my head a little to one side or the other, I can.

To each their own...but I still don't and won't depend totally on what is in the mirror when I'm driving down the road.

Of course....on my kind of race track, mirrors are nothing more than weight and wind resistance....
Old 03-25-2009 | 02:55 PM
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Originally Posted by Bob Cosby
I have those little convex mirrors on my B2300 - help a lot! But just can't see putting them on something like a Camaro (or my Cobra)!

And I absolutely DO look around when I change lanes! To not do that is only inviting a big surprise one of these days.
The Traverse additional mirrors are not fisheyed as most stick on stuff is. Check them out at some point.

I plead guilty to human behavior without reservation.

I can attest that looking over one's shoulder is almost always the way to go. ALMOST.

Merging onto a higher speed road from an onramp with your attention to the rear threats can rise up and smack you. Particularly if there's a tentative type also merging ahead of you. You will nerf the *** end of their car if they go spastic and decide to apply large braking prior to getting with the flow of traffic. Invariably you will look forward just in time to be presented with brake lights and their rear fascia in an unavoidable proximity that is a foot short of your brake pad's abilities.
Old 03-25-2009 | 03:02 PM
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Originally Posted by Bob Cosby
I could go through me "mirror adjustment" routine, but suffice to say that if I shift my eyes left (or right) to see out the side mirror, I cannot see the back of my vehicle. However, if I shift my head a little to one side or the other, I can.

To each their own...but I still don't and won't depend totally on what is in the mirror when I'm driving down the road.

Of course....on my kind of race track, mirrors are nothing more than weight and wind resistance....

If you were racing brackets you would adjust your mirrors to "bumper them to the beam" Bob, right?

Of course this assumes the better ET and MPH car is in the other lane....

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Old 03-25-2009 | 03:03 PM
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Originally Posted by Bob Cosby
I could go through me "mirror adjustment" routine, but suffice to say that if I shift my eyes left (or right) to see out the side mirror, I cannot see the back of my vehicle. However, if I shift my head a little to one side or the other, I can.

To each their own...but I still don't and won't depend totally on what is in the mirror when I'm driving down the road.

Of course....on my kind of race track, mirrors are nothing more than weight and wind resistance....
BTW, I like you just the way you are man!
Old 03-25-2009 | 03:19 PM
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LOL. Thanks.

I haven't run brackets in many years, but in a much slower car (and I've been there), I absolutely would use the mirror to look for the other guy....once you've powershifted 4th gear, of course (stab-n-steer cars are for sissies)

When I first started drag racing in the 80's, Great Lakes Dragaway up in Southern Wisconsin would run bikes against cars (STUPID!). My luck....I'm in my mid 13 second 88 Coupe, and I get matched up against an FJ1100 (yes, they were still 1100's back then) that was dailed WAAAYYYY down in the 10's. He came up on me SCARY fast! I broke out....LOL.

Seriously....when driving (and when teaching me kids how to drive), I tell them that you need to be like a fighter pilot...ie....always know what is going on around you....in front, to the side, and behind. That way you're very unlikely to be surprised when you decide to change lanes or speed.

Bob

And don't tell anybody that the front wheels don't ALWAYS have to be what trips the lights at the finish line....
Old 03-25-2009 | 03:23 PM
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How long has your driving career been???

BTW, if you haven't had an accident, while paying no attention to your blind spot.............. you will.

Thats why they call it a blind spot.

Go drive in CA or AZ, like that.................... its amazing how quickly someone can change lanes, into that blind spot.

On my Superduty, I have the huge towing mirrors. The pillars are very small, thus visibility outside the cabin is great, unless the car is very small. Yet, on my huge towing mirrors, there is a seperate blind spot mirror at the bottom, that is adjusted seperately from the huge main mirror. Because of these mirrors, I can completely drive without looking over my shoulder................ yet I still do, out of habit.

I have a feeling that the Camaro mirrors are nothing like my huge towing mirrors.
my driving career has been since i was 15, so 11 years crash free.
Old 03-25-2009 | 03:26 PM
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I'm still not following this.

Poor rearward visibility when backing up I can understand. I don't expect it'll be much, if any, worse than a 4th gen 'vert or a Solstice with the roof up.

But the "B" pillar thing. I was watching carefully driving the Trailblazer (TB). I'm normally a mirror guy, that is, my mirrors are adjusted in such a way that when I change lanes, a glance in the mirror to see that the lane is clear turns my head enough for my peripheral vision to pickup anything that might be in the so called "blind spot". If I turn my head further the only additional thing I see is the "B" pillar. The Camaro by virtue of having longer side windows, compared to the TB, would allow for even more visibility than the TB.

For the record, I've been driving, make that have had my license, for 33 years with one significant, non-visibility related accident.
Old 03-26-2009 | 09:50 AM
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yeah i look behind me when i back out, but not in the blind spot ofthe car,especially if there is no sence in looking there if you cant see out. i look behind me and to the side. most of the time i pay attention to what is behind me before i even get in my car to leave. and yes i do look before changing lanes but again, i know where things are around me before i change and i only use my mirros to change lanes. turn signals, yes i do when other are around me. i am a very cautious driver. maybe i pay attention to the surroundings more than some do, because i dont take long to back out or change lanes. i do things pretty quickly. i have never been in any kind of accident in my entire driving career. i just have an eye for seeing my surroundings and remembering what is there.
Thanks for enlightening me on how I could improve my driving skills/technique .

Now that we've just identified that - surprise, surprise - I drive the same way, and most decent drivers as well, can we now just cut to the chase here? The 5th-gen has a bigger blind spot than many vehicles on the road!

Question for you: do you drive often with trailers? How often? How large? How about backing them up? Do you rely solely on the mirrors? Do you turn around to actually SEE the trailer, or hang your head out the window to watch it as you back up?

My point to this is, there are still times that a mirror only shows you a small representation of what is behind you, and you have to physically LOOK to see what's there.

There is also a clear difference between driving in traffic, and keeping track of who's around you (trust me, I KNOW how to do that ... and it's easier if you're always the one passing everyone else ) but from time to time, there are situations where you NEED to SEE exactly WTF is behind you. You said something interesting too:

Originally Posted by 2010_5thgen
i look behind me when i back out, but not in the blind spot of the car, especially if there is no sence in looking there if you cant see out.
..... hmmm, so if you can see, you'll look, but if you can't, you won't. Well, "heads up", there's a lot less to see when you look around in the 5th-gen, so I guess you'll be looking at a lot less . Doesn't mean nothing's there.
Old 03-26-2009 | 10:05 AM
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yeah i do drive big trucks. i have a few i use here at work for picking up and doing deliveries. the one is a ford box truck and the other is i think 48ft truck. solid frame. not like a semi. i do use it quite a bit and rely on my mirrors. trust me the way i drive is not bad. im just very quick to respond when driving. ive been doing it like this for years and it seems to work out just fine for me. you do your thing and ill do mine. i concider myself a very good driver. im crazy, but im good.
Old 03-26-2009 | 10:34 AM
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Virtually everybody on the road considers themselves a "good driver".

Virtually everybody on the road considers the other driver "an idiot".

Somebody is right and somebody is wrong.

Profound.
Old 03-26-2009 | 11:02 AM
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Quite.
Old 03-26-2009 | 11:51 AM
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well like i said, you do things how you want and ill do them the way that i am.
Old 03-26-2009 | 11:55 AM
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Good thing big trucks have big mirrors . And obviously if a person is used to that type of driving, they'll have a much easier time adjusting to a car with small mirrors and limited visibility.

I guess we'll see what the feedback is once the general population get their hands on the new Camaro, but I suspect there will be more inferior drivers like myself complaining about poor visibility .
Old 03-26-2009 | 11:58 AM
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its not the size of the mirror that matters. you want to talk about limmited visability, the trucks i drive have no rear window. all that is behind you is the wall from the bed of the truck. ive become pretty good at driving just using my mirrors, from these trucks.
id rather complain about something i can change rather than something i cant.
Old 03-26-2009 | 12:02 PM
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I get it. I know what it's like to drive a big truck without a view out the rear.

I'm sorry that both my friend and I commented on the reduced visibility and large blind spot in the 5th-gen that neither of us have experienced in our 4th-gens . In future, perhaps people should keep their observations to themselves, and let people experience the 2010 Camaro how THEY want.



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