Until we find out OFFICIALLY what engine(s) the Camaro will be getting, this is a redundant argument . I've been all over the "LS7" or something like it "427" engine for the top-dog Camaro. Will we get it? Time will tell. If so, yeah, that'd walk all over the GT500 ..... hell, according to early results, they're hard pressed to get very far into the 12's, so that's not far out of bolt-on LS1 territory.

Back to reality though ..... we know NOTHING about engines yet. We know VERY LITTLE about the weight. We do know the weight of the GT500, and can only hope and pray that the Camaro comes in well below that ~3900 lb mark . And based on less weight, obviously it can be as fast or faster with less power, but to speculate on something with so many unknown variables?

Meh, whatever .

 

Yeah, blown mod motors sure are dogs

 

Why do you keep going back to the LS2, its not even an option. When the camaro comes out in 08 the LS2 will be 4 years old, and about time for a new engine, in our new camaro. IMO

 

How exactly does a roots style blower lag in the upper rpm's? Maybe you are thinking of belt slip. As for your LS2 vs. 5.4 SC debate, I don't see a new Camaro with an LS2 beating a GT500. I was at Bowling Green last weekend and watched a GT500 with the "pulley and a tune" combo run consistent 10.90's. You're just not going to get that out of an LS2 unless you do some major mods to it. As Guion stated, those Ford SC motors still have a lot of reliable power on tap and I really hope that GM takes the power adder route. Otherwise its going to make it real expensive to keep up at the track.

 

OK, at least I gave you 2 warnings before I moved you over to the "Doesn't know what they're talking about" group.

Superchargers don't have lag. None.

I like how you tried to save face by saying they lag in high RPMs, which (for lack of a better description) is a pretty a**clown statement. Lag refers to the time between when you press the pedal and when you feel the reaction. Superchargers (the ones we're talking about) are bolted to the top of the engine. The GT500 has a water to water intercooler sandwiched in between that few inches between the bottom of the blower and the intake valves. You'd get more lag from the cushing of your right show. The intercooler on My SCs sends air on a detour to the IC, and it doesn't lag, so it's pretty safe to bet your newborn the GT500 (as well as the former Cobra and Lightning) have even less than zilch.

As far as saving face, just cut your losses now. You probally got turbocharger and supercharger mixed up. It happens. I've done it. No big deal. But talking about high RPM lag in on an SC isn't going anywhere. Press the pedal at redline in a supercharged car or a normally aspirated car, and you aren't gonna get much more of anything.


Also, what's the issue (or obsession) with stroke size?? Is this a misplaced suubsitution for manhood insecurities? An obcession with the word "stroke"?

The Shelby GT500 puts down a godawful amount of horsepower. Doesn't matter if it's overhead cams, superchargers, or a bunch of really really drugged up hamsters on a wheel, 500 horsepower is still 500 horsepower. A Camaro LS2 putting out 405 horsepower isn't going to run with it, no matter how much fuzzy logic you program into your computer, or how many extra beads you try to cram on your abacus.

Bottom line is that we don't know the horses the 2009 Camaro will be running, the weight it'll have, the gearing it will have, and finally, we don't know what the GT500 will be running by then. But it's safe to say that whatever Chevy has that will compete with the GT500, it will be above the current (or should I say past since we're talking about a car that's been dead for almost 5 years) Z28 or Camaro SS in price & position..... as it should be.

 

Although I've never driven a newer supercharged car, my 6-71 blown BBC had no lag...and that's old technology.
I take it you've never been fortunate enough to enjoy a supercharged motor. Nope...no lag...just a BIG smile on your face after you stomp on it.

 

 

I completely agree. 327camaro, we appreciate that nyou are trying to become a functioning part of the board, but next time think before you say, and at least know what you are talking about a little bit before opening your mouth. the only time a supercharger lags is when the belt tears apart. then it is gone. turbochargers barely lag with today's technology. i think that the ls2 will be outdated by 2009, or at least not available for the camaro, because technology changes so fast, plus everyone knows what is going on at GM, so mabye they will try to cut costs and make one motor for the Camaro, Base Corvette, GTO, Yukon Denali, Escalade, etc. because if they can make one engine for all of those cars and eliminate a few motors and free up some assembly line clutter with all of those engines, won't it be worth their while? I think so, but i am getting off subject. No one knows what is in store for the camaro, because we can't tell the future. what we can tell you is that the 2009 camaro is going to be the best ever, and it most likely will keep up with the mustang, otherwise, whats the point?

 

I don't expect to see the LS7 in the top dawg Camaro, as I think we've already seen indications that GM will be phasing out the LS7 in the Corvette by 2008. However I do expect a smaller displacement supercharged LSx derivative (with equal or more hp to the current LS7) to replace it in the Corvette.

Will we see it in a top dawg Camaro? Only time will tell. However if GM expects to build a Camaro to beat the GT500, they'll need to step up to the plate as I don't see Ford sitting complacent with the GT500's current power numbers while waiting for Challenger and Camaro to appear on the scene.

 

 

Don't rule out what horsepower increases may lie within the base GT Mustang engine, either. There's no guarantee that it will remain at 300 hp until the Camaro comes out

 

The Camaro will be getting the LS3 6.2L VVT, DOD rated at 400hp.

The base Corvette will get the motor in 08, one year before the Camaro, but it will be rated at 425hp in the Vette.

The ZO6 will keep the LS7 until 2011, but the Corvette SS/Stingray/Blue Devil will get it's own engine the LS9, a supercharged 6.0L or 6.2L making 600-650hp.

As for the Camaro beating the GT500 even the LS3 won't be enough. The Camaro would need a LS7 and I don't see that happening, so the Camaro would be a competitor more to the Mustang GT and not the GT-500.

 

I thought the Camaro was only getting Ecotec variants?

 

If by "high RPMs" you mean "15,000 RPM", and by "lag" you mean "explode", well then I agree.

 

lol at this entire thread. good one gm