GET OUT OF MY HEAD!!!

 

So simply installing a cold air induction and new headers/exhaust would get you up to the same (or more) HP as a vette? It has nothing to do with the PCM? That is much more simple than I thought....

 

At that price altitude, and the types of people who would buy cars like that, we are no longer talking about people buying something just to beat the competition. We are talking about fans of a particular car who want something above the the norm.

Is there a link to see what work was don on the Evo car?

I don't know much about the original Z28's horse rating, but all 4th gen LS1 Camaros put out just about the same horsepower, regardless as to what model you bought (sorry SS owners), about 5-10 horses down from the Corvette due to exhaust.

So tell me. How does that new 5th gen Camaro handle? I seem to have misplaced those 5th gen test drive and comparison articles.




Charlie, you just hit on "IT". That thing that very few people understand. That instance where everything comes together, and the result is a blast to drive.

It's refreshing to hear that here because there are far too many people on this site whose minds can't comprehend anything beyond horsepower acceleration numbers. It's almost like trying to explain Algebra to kindegardeners. My fox 5.0 Mustang today would have it's lunch handed to it by a new Impala SS. My B4C would essentially decimate my 97 Z28. Yet I'd prefer my old fox Mustang over an Impala and I'd be almost willing to do an even trade of my B4C to get my '97 back .

 

I will be one happy man if this is true

 

Um.... no.


Don't count chickens 2 years before they hatch. Mustang will be 4 years old by then, and will be fully paid off. If Fords assembly costs are low enough, they can keep Mustang prices very low.

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1. Quality: Today GM is doing very well with initial percieved quality and early problems, still, saying GM has better qulity than Ford is a pretty big reach:

a) Every 4th gen Camaro I've owned has fried power window motors. I have a 4 year old B4C sitting outside right now with both motors out. I have a 17 year old T-bird with original motors. Other Fords I've owned that were alot older... no PW motor issues.

b) My 97 Camaro ripped 2 stock clutches by 135K miles. Never happened in my Mustangs. Infact, my '89 SC Thunderbird had it's clutch replaced for the 1st time at 135K miles. I now have nearly 220,000 miles. Had the tranny rebulit last year, but the clutch was still good.

c) Went through 3 alternators in my '97 Camaro. 1st opne went at 50K miles. Dad had the same problem with his new Silverado. I've never replaced a Ford alternator.

d) Rear axles in Camaros are far weaker than Fords. Ford 9" rears are the favorite of drag racers. Put alot of power through a 4th gen rearend with sticky tires & then let me know what happens.

e) LT1s are famous for developing vacuum leaks at the rear of the manifold. LS1s sound like diesels till they warm up.

f) I've worn out the carpet next to the gas pedal in my 2002 Camaro. Ditto the '97. Never happened in the Mustangs or T-birds.

g) My '97 Camaro left me stranded 5 times in the 1st 4 years I owned it. My 85 Mustang I owned for 11 years left me stranded once, as did my 1st '89 T-bird I owned for 6 (both due to a electrical short), & my current '89 left me stranded onece (A/C pulley fried). To date, my B4C I've owned for a year and a half has been dependable, as has my '93 T-bird for the past 3.


Using just my Camaros as a yardstick, and going by my own personal experience, I'd say GM not Ford has quality issues.

Being that I'm a person who tends to put alot of mileage on my cars, tend to depend on my cars, and also tends to keep my cars longer than average, to me "Quality" isn't just off the showroom floor, but how the car holds up years down the road.

The "New GM" made cars that have come out the past couple of years will be well worn by the time the next Camaro comes out. I'm holding judgement till I see how these cars hold up.

 

I'm glad I'm not alone on that Guy. Sometimes it's like a ***** waving contest around here, with the "nothing matters but absolute horsepower" crowd.

I'm less concerned about who's got the most power and more concerned about which car is the best drive.

 

well, not that we have been told that the camaro wil be coming with 450 hp, I dont think we have to worry too much about the stang. We are going to be right there with it!