willz

Damn boy you are on today!! Couldn't have been said better!

willz

Dude, you just aren't thinking, at all. You know, every guy or gal can't afford a $40,000 2 seater (2 for all practical purposes). Yeah, everyone on this board knows you can, according to you, but the MAJORITY of Camaro buyers either won't be able to, or won't want one.
What is being talked about here is putting a world class V6 in the base car. This type of quality along with a good interior and a world class chassis to boot are the things that will allow guys like you to buy what you want because the base car has got to be good for the car to succeed at all!
I want the V8 car myself, but I want twentysomethings to be able to get in a nice high performance V6 pony car because there will be a lot more of those guys than folks that want the V8. And later, when those guys are out of college a while and making good money, they'll move up to a V8 car and give the General some repeat business.
Wake up, dude, and pray for a killer base package!

91_z28_4me

Joe were any of the Atlas engines, to your knowledge, tested on a slant like the BMW I6?

downwithmustang

If the V6 comes with a good chassis, nice interior, and good gas mileage; price around 20k or under; people will buy. Yes the engine needs alittle kick; but really who's mom or basic V6 owners looking too beat V8's(not many). Yeah there are some out there, but the 3.6L seems like a ready to modification engine (other than the 3.8L).

Z284ever

20K............or..................under?

downwithmustang

Alright what would you suggest?

eagleknight97

It most certainly will not be under 20k, it wont even be near 20k, probably more like 22-23k base.

downwithmustang

That might be true, but remember the V6 mustang is price from 19k-22k and 24K with conv top. So it would be crazy to price the V6 close to a V8 mustangs.

HAZ-Matt

If the Camaro came in at $5 I bet they would outsell every other car.

Z284ever

2 for $5....and it would outsell every other car combined.

RussStang

I always thought for their time the 4th gen 3800 cars weren't bad at all. You could get them with a limited diff, they were cheap even brand new, and at the time most v6s at the market were making right around 200hp, only for more money.

jg95z28

I think your missing my point. The cost difference between engine packages is not as broad as you might think. Save for the hand built LS7, there isn't much of a cost difference between building a V6 or a V8 these days. The concept itself has been advertised as a 400-hp LS2 with 30mpg highway due to AFM. When you're only talking about a $1-3k build cost difference, I'm saying unless that V6 puts out 300-hp and gets 40mpg, its not going to have a huge advantage over the base V8, unless GM decides to do a little finagling with the MSRPs.

Furthermore, you don't want every twentysomething to be able to walk into a base Camaro. It all honesty you already have a high performance ponycar in the Cobalt SS. (Yes its not a V6, but hear me out. ) Back when the 3rd gens came out, I was in my late teens, as a twentysomething out of college with an engineering degree and a good paying job, I couldn't afford a new Camaro, even the V6 version. That's not the market GM is aiming for with the base Camaro nor has it been for over 20 years. I'm sorry if this upsets a few people around here, but those are just the facts. Yes a small percentage of twentysomethings will buy new V6 Camaros, and even a smaller percentage will be able to afford to buy a V8. But you're not the target market for this car.

But that's still not my real point. Do you you want the Camaro to be competitive in the market? Do you want it to succeed? All I'm suggesting is that we think outside the box for a moment. Just slapping in the cheapest V6 to get the base Camaro into the base V6 Mustange range isn't really healthy for the Camaro's survival. Picture this, a base V8 Camaro that puts out 100 more ponies than the V6 Mustang, yet it gets similar fuel efficiency due to modern technology. Even if this theoretical Camaro is priced $1-3k more than the Mustang, its going to sell. Please, please don't give me that BS about a V8 being more expensive to insure, as I have already proven that it is a myth. The insurance rates for a new model, which this will be, will initially be based upon the purchase price until a database is established. Just make sure your fellow Camaro buyers don't get into too many accidents.

The bottom line is, we don't need or want a cheap Camaro for the masses. If we go that route we're just dooming the old girl from the start and we may as well just kill her off now and be done with it. This car has all the potential to be a world class ponycar, not just an blue collar American ponycar. I want to see her soar with the eagles and not sitting on the ground with all the turkeys.

P.S. No I actually can't afford a $40K+ Camaro. However if that's what its going to take to get my next Z28, I'll find a way to afford one.

RussStang

Why would you not want ever twentysomething to be able to buy a new Camaro? That is ridiculous. The more sales, the better. If the price is kept down, then a new market for the car is opened up. THe Cobalt SS is one dumpy *** "ponycar". I see more older people driving them around then I would have expected to. I don't hear to many young guys talk about how great the supercharged SSs are. They usually just talk about how slow they are. The car did not build the kind of rep for itself that the SRT-4 has. Those things are often at the street races, or so I hear.

I would without a doubt take a rwd v6 Camaro over a Cobalt SS at a similiar pricepoint everytime.

2000SilverLS1

i would as well. just the looks alone would have me sold over a cobalt.

jg95z28

Wrong. To make it cheap and affordable for most twentysomethings could harm the image GM needs to create in order for the car to be successful.

Unless you think being associated mall hair, mullets and white trash is a good thing for the Camaro's survival.