Ain't that the truth!

Now where can I get a poster like that?

 

I like it, that should be the sales slogan for the new Camaro.

 

I love the view from the front. With the perspective it make the tires look three feet wide.

 

Shouldn't there also be a "Canadian Muscle" and "Australian Muscle" poster too?

 

What do you mean "also" ???? The Camaro is going to be made in Canada plain and simple..... most of the steel will be from abroad, so where does the "Detroit Muscle" thing come in ???? Come to think about it..... the only "muscle" seen in Detroit nowadays, is the "muscle" the unions have exerted in getting the plants closed down..... Name the "muscle" cars that detroit makes..... name one anyway....

 

1) Ford Mustang designed in Dearborn and built in Flat Rock MI.
2) Dodge Viper designed in Auburn Hills and built in Detroit.

Now that's out of the way. Sure the Camaro will and was made in Canada but like everyone knows the domestic brands are based in the Detroit area. Not to mention the engineering and design centers are all there too. Would you call a Accord made in Ohio or a Camry made in Kentucky to be anything other than Japanese sedans when the cash goes back to Toyko.

Lastly there is a very good chance that unless the UAW gives a concession the steel in the Camaro will be union American/Canadian steel either all or a large majority.

 

Well let me see here..... let's break a few atoms, and separate some molecules here, so we can be precise about a few things.....

First of all, the bottom line is, the Camaro was, and will be built in Canada, and whether the intial design, (in Warren, MI), not Detroit, it will be assembled in Canada.....

1) ....Yeah, it is an American designed auto, built under an American based company, this "American Muscle" car, will be stamped, assembled, and then transported to the United States afterwards.... It is technically, and literally, a Canadian built car...... bottom line.....

2 )...... You first write that the Mustang is built in Detroit, which is incorrect.... it is built in Flat Rock, which is correct, but Flat Rock, MI, is in Wayne County, which is almost forty five minutes south of Detroit, at the AAI plant , which isn't even a suburb of Detroit......

The engines are made north of Detroit at the Romeo plant, on the Niche line, but everything else except the hoods are made and assembled at the AAI plant... I can't remember if they still make them at the Wixom plant, but whatever......

3)....... I guess I don't understand what point you are trying make, or what parallel you're trying to draw, in respect to cars made in Kentucky, and Ohio...... these cars are indeed Japenese cars, built in the U.S, plain and simple..... and to begin with, this strays completely away from the "American Muscle" thing altogether.....

Nobody said the Camaro wasn't an American car, nobody debated where the originality of it's conception took place, the topic that started this was when I debated the "American Muscle" thing, and where the car is built...... just like the posting before mine......

And yes....I and thousands of those who put together the Accords, and Camrys, in Ohio, and Kentucky, would call them, Japenese cars assembled in the U.S..... you don't even have to think about that one....

4)..... oh I forgot, you are right about the Viper..... But then, we're not the only two Americans on this site, who have a tendency of writting before we think.......

 

You forgot the most important of them all:
Corvette - Built in Bowling Green, KY

 

Jeez, you guys will try to fight about anything. It has ZERO to do with where the car is built. It is all about the old "Detroit Iron" moniker that was given to American performance cars long ago, since Detroit (and now surrounding areas) is where the big 3 is located.

There is no need to argue about what is basically a nickname, and certainly no need to start fights over union issues here.

 

No I didn't forget the Vette but the question posed was about Detroit built muscle of which the Vette doesn't qualify. But there is no doubt I'd place the Corvette as pure Detroit Muscle.

 

Ok let's break it down. The Camaro was not always built in Canada. There was some good years built in Norwood OH and Van Nuys CA. And yes the Tech Center did quite a bit of work on the Camaro past and present but I think there is work being done on the car at GM HQ at the Ren Cen in Detroit. I guess we are really splitting hairs now and while I don't see the point I'll play along.

Hmmm you need to look again at what I wrote. I said the Mustang was designed in Dearborn, Ford HQ, and built in Flat Rock. You also better check your map again. Flat Rock IS a suburb of Detroit. Dearborn, Flat Rock and DETROIT are all in Wayne Co. together. I was born and raised in the Detroit area and your point that Flat Rock isn't close to Detroit is wrong. Again I don't know why we're splitting hairs on cities of production but I can play along. As if saying the Mustang being built in Flat Rock and not within the city limits of Detroit makes the car less Detroit muscle is weak. I suppose we should call the Detroit Pistons the Auburn Hills Pistons because the Palace isn't in the city of Detroit. So lets just say the Mustang is designed and built in the Detroit area. Engines too because the Romeo plant is well within suburban Detroit....

Speak for yourself. I think before I write. You seemed to have an issue with the Camaro poster stating that it's Detroit Muscle. You asked for examples and I gave them to you. You then tried to spit hairs on what city the car was built in and then said the fine city of Flat Rock isn't a suburb of Detroit.

I used the Japanese cars built here to show to you that where they are built doesn't dictate where they are from. You agreed. Would you have an issue with a poster of the Honda Accord and saying Toyko's finest quality or something like that? So what's the issue with the Camaro saying Detroit Muscle?

In the end Detroit Muscle is just a saying that has some nostalgic history for the kinds of cars created there, like the Camaro. It's not literal nor does it have to be. Argue with it if you want but I've made my point and am content to let this topic end.

 

You're absolutely right Jason......!

Logic will never convince the heart .........

 

I've got that poster in my living room,
Someone brought one home this evening!

 

It's DETROIT MUSCLE because I said so.

Period.



Seriously folks, -- it takes thousands of people to design, engineer, and build a car --

The Camaro is what I call "Performance - American Style" -- and by that I mean a muscular V8 engine and RWD with has always been an American hallmark.........always.

The modern design with heritage styling cues make the Camaro uniquely American --regardless of where its built........

.........and frankly, I have no problems with GM of Canada taking the picture and reworking it to read "Canadian Muscle" --