Yeah, but it'll weigh way more after you add the Ca- to it.

 

Are you joking? You really think it will be that heavy? I think the challeneger will be in that range.................

 

What's "Ca-" ???

 

Because he called it a "maro", he left off the "Ca-" (pet peeve of mine too....what is a "maro"?)

I'm worried about the 5th Gen's weight, but I am not about to believe its curb weight will start with a '4'. That would make absolutely no sense, since even a Zeta Commodore sedan checks in under that weight.

 

I would have used this tank:

 

Actually, she's dead on correct. Things didnt start ramping up in earnest until late 2005. I remember Scott had to do a preso for Ed Peper that December.

 

Let's hope.



I wonder what a Commodore would weigh once you added a supercharger, intercooler, big wheels and all the other paraphernalia that goes along with that?

 

I was going to do a multi-quote but all of them boil down to the same thing... GM is slightly late to the show. They knew the Challenger was coming out and apparently did little to push their production schedule up to match its release. I'm sorry but the reality is that it HAS TO HAVE HURT some Camaro sales not to mention the "first kid on the block" status. Maybe it cost GM 500 sales, maybe 1000, maybe all 5000, who knows what the actual number is BUT sales are sales. The only redeeming factor is that the Challenger is overpriced about 5k IMO. If the Challenger had been in the 34-35k range in its initial offering, I for sure would have at least be taking a good hard look at it. Others who don't mind the initial release price tag of 40k are going to look and/or buy. I just hope GM doesn't make the same mistake with the Camaro that they made with the GTO and overprice it from the get go or there may be people flipping a coin between it and the Challenger...

 

Ok. However, let me revisit what I was replying to:

Were not the "have faith" and "keep the faith" and "hiatus" tags that Scott himself used not synonomous with having "hope"?

Regardless, I disagree with your assertion that she was "dead on correct". But I guess we can agree to disagree. I will continue to stand by my statement and the evidence I presented (there certainly is more if you wish to go to the trouble to search) to back it up.

Bob

 

The ability to push a production schedule to match a competitor's release would be far easier if you had a production plant sitting empty and a production line ready to accept the architecture. It was far easier for Chrysler as the Challenger is based of an architecture already in production. GM had to find a plant, finish vehicles already scheduled for production, then retool the plant for a new architecture. That all takes time and money and cannot simply be done overnight to match the competition. Considering all the extra hoops GM had to jump through to get to where they are today, I'd say they're right where they need to be and slightly ahead of schedule.

 

Scott has always Have Faith that the Camaro name will be back since 00 But for us We saw no glimmer of hope even those who kept the faith. all we were getting was Have Faith & if you read you will see that I was one of those who was standing by Scott, tell you guys this, NOT because I believed in GM but I beleived in Scott.

Some of us knew the car had to be back out, We had our feelings about it. BUT NO public word was ever given that the car was to even come out in Detroit in 06 until late 05.

Scott saying Keep the faith was one way for us to know that they may be working on something BUT NOTHING Was EVER OFFICAL until late 05.

They could have killed the project before the car even hit the 06 Detroit AUTO show.

 

Work on GMX284 started in 2003.

 

Close... little clay models in little studio's far from the prying eyes of the suits a new Camaro was conceived...

 

For all I know, your name isnt even Bob. I haven't seen any evidence. You better send some ID via registered mail before we can continue this conversation.



Back in 2002, 2003... Scott was made fun of by coworkers for still wearing his Camaro ties and shirts to work.

Scott never gave up the faith. Not with us, and more importantly, not at the RenCen.... but the facts are even after the coupe debued at NAIAS, it still was not a done deal... so if we're getting into your oh so important semantics... perhaps "a smuge of hope" isn't 100% accurate. It was definitely more a smidge than a smuge.

 

Kindly read what I wrote (and quoted) again. I never said nor implied that it was a "done deal" that many years ago. I never said nor implied that there was anything "official" back then. I simply said that there was "hope" (even quoted what I was responding to), most especially on this Forum (and posted an example of where this "hope" was).

There is a difference between "hope" and "done deal" or "official", don't you think? What does the word "hiatus" mean or imply? Why did Scott not use "hiatus" back then instead of "dead"? Maybe you didn't notice? Perhaps because - even back then - there was "hope"? Ya think? Ya think he expressed that "hope" here? Do you think others might have shared that "hope"? Even (or most especially) the two of you?

FYI...

hope
–noun 1. the feeling that what is wanted can be had or that events will turn out for the best.

hi·a·tus
–noun, 1. a break or interruption in the continuity of a work, series, action, etc.

I understand that you guys are now circling the wagons, so to speak (and I'm sure others will join), so I'll let it go.

Have a great evening.

Bob (as far as you know)