I'm really enjoying the futile arguments that are being made by those who are dead set against this beautiful and amazing vision from GM... It will be made.
One day in the future, I'll be at a gas station filling up my 5th gen... Alongside me, one of the "Disappointed" will pull up. Undoubtedly he will give me a contemptuous look... I will smile at him as big as I smiled when they unveiled the concept.

 

I will not look with contempt. I will merely pity you for your skewed and awkward sense of style that make you prefer ancient body styles. Will you also search out a girlfriend that looks like your grandma?

 

Of the three vehicles (Mustang, Challenger, Camaro) I feel the camaro has the greatest possibility of picking up import buyers. the others, in my opinion, feel too traditional, where the Camaro has a style that stands on its own.

The buyer doesn't need to know anything of the first gen, and doesn't even really need to know they existed. I feel they just need a memorable vehicle that appears sporty and has the features people want at the price they can afford. As many times as people have said it before, I think they're right. The viability of this car all comes down to the interior and features.

They need to sell the heck out of it to the Secretaries and teenage girls of the world to get the production numbers they need to survive. Ford has always left it to the V6's to sell the majority of the product, and the V8 was simply icing on the cake. GM wanted a pure performance vehicle, a no compromise car that put the numbers down. I feel GM saw the v6 as nothing more than the means to an end. I think they've learned their lesson and hope they'll do things differently this time around.

 

I was really hoping GM was going to break the mold altogether like they have done with every other Camaro generation. Every generation has been a clear evolution from the last, a different expression of American muscle. Actually it would be anti-Camaro for GM to resort to a "proven" muscle car look instead of evolving further into something as radically different from the other generations. The designers of the new Camaro should accept the challenge and step up to define what a 21'st century mucle car is supposed to be, nobody else seems to know.

From an economics standpoint it makes sense that GM went retro with the new concept because that seems to be what's getting a lot of people excited about cars but most importantly, it's selling. As much as I hate to admit it, Ford in teaming up with Volvo's safety standards and Mazda's quality control are producing some decent cars (even though we can still hurt those GT's). All I can say is get ready for all hell breaking loose when the Shelby GT500 hits showroom floors. And I know I can't be the only one who was happy to see the Dodge Charger R/T return (except for the sedan version... WTF?), and now the Challenger is all over the magazines. With all of these traditional American muscle cars being reborn, it would be a shame for the Camaro to not take it's rightful place and line up to compete against them.

At any rate I'm very happy to see the Camaro name in Detroit once again and I personally don't think much of that concept will turn out in production in 2009. Of course all of this is just my opinion and I'm sorry if I've stepped on any toes, just my 2 cents worth.

Just happy to finally be a part of the Camaro brotherhood

 

Great post man...I have been lurking other non American, import, ford and so on boards to see the reaction...ive counted a few times and I gotta say the response on those sites are very positive and alot might be swayed back to an american car...

and not sure if its was this post or another saying the 4th gen had its own style on the road..you kidding me? our 4th gens fit right into the jellybean cars all over the place..heck a girl once told me hey you got the two door version of my car as she got into her Eagle Vision a long while back..

 

That's ignorant. Why is it it seems the retro bandwagoners seem to have the biggest bug up their a** concerning us who are less than impressed with the concept?

 

Once upon a time.......................


http://web.camaross.com/forums/showt...esh+retro+poll

 

I remember that thread...I wasn't a member here yet, but I was visiting the board just a frequently as I do now...Amazing how many people's opinions have changed...Gee, I wonder why so many people have changed their opinions...Is it because people have just accepted what we are getting and are just happy to see a Camaro again??? I think so.

 

Makes you wonder if the pendelum will swing as dramatically the other way in 3 years? Drives home the point Scott has mentioned numerous time over...it's a gaint leap when they stat a new design because they're looking 5-7 years (maybe more) into the future.

 

You're confused, look who I was quoting. I don't like the concept either. It's style is old.

 

Sorry, my bad. Hit the wrong 'quote' button in the heat of the moment

I'm not taking back the 'bug up the a**' comment to the rest of you tho.

 

lol... comparing cars to women? ok. 100 years from now, if someone looks at a pic of your wife, they will still be able to appreciate the physical qualities that make her a beautiful woman. As time passes she will eventually become a wrinkled old woman that looks comparable to my grandma. There are only beautiful women today thanks to previous generations of beautiful women. Beauty is timeless. Perception is what differs from person to person.

 

I would never insult my car by comparing it to a woman!

 

Ive heard people say the grille looks like the mustang, but mostly from people who arent into the older cars. Aside from the flat sides to make it look 3rd gen and fit into the line with Vette looking like the last gen Mustand I dont see it at all. The only way I can fathom people thinking it looks like Mustang is if you think all cars of that era look alike which they obviously dont to me. I just dont see it.

I guess I misinterpreted "it lost what it once had" Yeah I see that it once was a fighter jet looking car after it looked like the 69, sorry I miss judged but the other quotes were a collection of posts Ive seen on this and another board from different people. BTW if it was 4th gen like I would be running, and I know quite a few import people(who I work with and have to hear crap about the 98 when it was a daily driver) The same import guys who saw my 69 said "I dont like camaro but I like that" Now they wouldnt buy one but for me thats a big deal, and a good start.

This one went over my head...

Super bird was designed by ex NASA employees for areo dynamics for NASCAR if I have that right. I see alot of areo dynamics in the concept. The black front spoiler from the 69 is emulated as the bottom piece of the bumper cover body color at the same angle. The shape of the hood and windshield are more agressive, probably at 3rd gen angles. The edges around the opening are flatened slightly to give the front a little surface on the 3rd gen downward slope. The back is 3rd 4th gen fast back angle.

yeah I like it and I thought it was perfect when it first came out. What I liked about my 98 was the open front grille and 79 headlights, 74 tail lights and fighter jet. My fav actually was the concept 4th gen Trans Am that I saw in person as a kid and they used on a Knight Rider reunion show. The brake lights said ponitac.

To be honest, as a personal preference Id be afraid to loose the 69 key features but I understand thats personal preference.

Obviously I misinterpreted what you said but you brought up some important points that are the exact reason the 4th gen was ruined. You dont care whether back seats are usable but if useable back seats sell more great but dont compromise style. Thats exactly how the 4th gens back seats turned into storage space for groceries that didnt fit in the trunk. It was a horible compromise in 4th gen and 1st gen at least seems to have more room back there. It wasnt adequate for people who want to be able to have friends get back there time to time, and the people who didnt care got the extra weight of the back seats. Why not take them out, shorten the car to Vettes proportions, make it sleeker kappa like and call it something else. If you had done the with 4th gen Fbody and put it up against the 300z it would have been much better with the 5.7 and been faster. Youve never heard of people cross shopping BMW because the car lose the porportions it once had. 1st Gen seem to have the rough proportions of an M6 if it had evolved to today the way I think it should have. I dont know about you, but when I look at Magnum, 300C, Charger Challenger, I see Muscle car Hemi on Mercedees plat and it works well. They have the Hemi blocks and are in your price range but you get the idea. I see no reason Camaro couldnt do the same. I would be interested to see import forums reaction to the Challenger and Camaro. Sorry I misunderstood your post.

Thats exactly what I thought. 4th gen fans need a two seater cheap areo dynamic fighter jet that can be shortened even more by loosing the rear seats. Probably could be done Kappa coupe, but I dont know how big that market would be. Also 90% fans here like the concept, I dont know how much buisness case there is building a car that might or might not capture part of the 10% lost.

 

That is correct in my case, I woudlnt care if they called it a Camaro or not either. Give me a Corvette type of car (obviously not quite the same quality) for a Camaro price and I would be exited. Until that happens I'll keep upgrading my 4th gen as much as possible. I do have to say that I don't think the concept is ugly, it's just not what I wanted. There is a plus side to this for guys like me though. This should make the 4th gens even more affordalble to purchase, maybe I'll go ahead and get an LS1 now too.