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Old 01-19-2006 | 12:11 AM
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Re: Autoextremist to beancounter: Don't screw up the Camaro!!

exactly how many people even care if their engine has a cover on it or not?
i say it needs to go. it really serves no functional purpose.
Old 01-19-2006 | 02:25 AM
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...you've got to be kidding.

If ever there was a company that has perfected the art of shooting itself in the foot, GM is it.

This news just makes me ill.
Old 01-19-2006 | 03:51 AM
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To GM:

DON'T **** UP MY CAR.

Many people are waiting in line to throw money at you for the car AS IS. You won't be doing anyone a favor by messing it up now and letting the bean counters have their way.

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Ryan.
Old 01-19-2006 | 04:23 AM
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A B pillar would ruin part of the look.

But T-Tops or Targa would go in fine without a B Pillar forward of the 1/4 windows without changing a thing. It would probably give it an entirely new look with the 1/4 windows down and the sheetmetal over the back windows when down. I truely dont understand why people think that couldnt be done. I would very much perfer solid steel myself though. Possibly a sunroof if anything. Lemans Blue Z28 Open headlight with white stripes

I doubt this rumor is true.

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Old 01-19-2006 | 04:33 AM
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a quicky photoshop with a b pillar

GM... seriously dont even think about it anymore. DONT DO IT

Old 01-19-2006 | 05:53 AM
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Hey, why stop at engine covers, you could also drop the mirrors from the sunvisors as well as (front) driver/passenger overhead lights.

IMO cars are like girls, you don't want to have your girlfriend looking less sexy if that's what attracted you to her in the first instance. If you spend less on her she'll either resent it or dump you. Perhaps GM beancounters aren't that great with the chicks?
Old 01-19-2006 | 08:01 AM
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It's already been said here, ...but I as well sure hope they don't ruin a good thing...

...BTW, ...on those sunvisors. Strangely enough, ...it's cheaper to offer them with the mirrors, ...just happens to be a common PN with other vehicles. ...and they are already purchased in huge quantities. (would actually cost more per piece for those without mirrors)
Old 01-19-2006 | 08:20 AM
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One more note to beancounters ....

Spending an extra $50 on the product is much better business than throwing $500 on the hood to make it sell.
Old 01-19-2006 | 09:06 AM
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I can't believe what I just read...If true, I'm glad it got out.

Go to the Chevy website right now and tell them how you feel.

No Camaro has EVER had that feature, and while I'm not one to go against change, this is a style issue that shouldn't be under debate AT ALL!
Old 01-19-2006 | 09:06 AM
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GM:

Rule #1 of business: You have to spend money to make money.

Bean counters should know better than this. The product has to be good in a competitive market place. The days of it selling just because you make it are gone.

Plus by the looks of the photochop above, it just makes the car more Mustang-like, which is something we want to get away from.
Old 01-19-2006 | 09:26 AM
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Well. As I said in another thread that if there is no B-pillar there would likely be no T-tops. After thinking on this, I'm going to go with the "keep the B-pillar out this car" crowd even though I do like T-tops, I like true hardtop coupes like those that prowled the streets until the mid 70s, even more. As others have said, the true hardtop feel of this car really adds to the aesthetics of the car. I would never have thought that I would see a pillarless coupe built again... I say build it as is and shoot any beancounters that get in the way......

Just a quick thought to ponder for those who think that the inclusion of a pillar would mean that the rear windows would still open. When was the last time GM (or any other manufacturer, for that matter) put out a coupe with B-pillars with 3/4 windows that actually opened and without being pop-out vent windows?
Old 01-19-2006 | 10:01 AM
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I don't think it looks bad with a b-pillar, but then again, I didn't think it looked bad when I saw a photochop that completely removed the rear window. I'm a thirdgenner... and the big fat windowless b-piller reminded me of my cars.

Plus, I'd rather have t-tops than a back window anyway. Those back windows just mean 2 more power window motors that I'll have to replace every 3 or 4 years.
Old 01-19-2006 | 10:07 AM
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Re: Autoextremist to beancounter: Don't screw up the Camaro!!

Originally Posted by 0toinsanein5.4sec
a quicky photoshop with a b pillar

GM... seriously dont even think about it anymore. DONT DO IT

Why did you make the B-pillar body colored? It can very easily be black to hide it, plus you could put the door handle and lock there (like the Beretta) and give the doors a smooth, shaved look. Ooooh, the possiblities....

Plus, I'm partial to a B-pillar because I think it could help rear visability by reducing the mass of the C-pillars, and increasing visability; even in a sports car/coupe this is an area I don't support function over form.

Then again, I'm one o'dem foward tinkers who doesn't think the car has to look a crap load like a '69 to look like a Camaro.
Old 01-19-2006 | 10:37 AM
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Don't tell Chevy, but if the ONLY way I can get a new Camaro is to have B Pillars, then so be it. But since I really want a convertible, I don't think it will be a factor. And to the mindset that says you HAVE to have a B Pillar....Why make concept cars with NEW ideas? Why tempt the public with things you can't produce? Where's my flying car I was promised in the Jetsons?? Cars are art. (except the 90% or so cars that are sold every year. You know the 4 door sedans that populate fleet service and driveways all over the country) At least they used to be art. Don't put handcuffs on the artists. If structural stability can be achieved without a bean counter mandated B Pillar, then allow it. Period. What did the bean counters say when someone wanted to cut the whole roof off of a car the first time???? If you build it, they will buy. Give the people WHAT THEY WANT. NO B PILLARS. Don't show me a concept without one and then add it for production because it's just not feasable.

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Old 01-19-2006 | 10:42 AM
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Re: Autoextremist to beancounter: Don't screw up the Camaro!!

Originally Posted by dream '94 Z28
Why did you make the B-pillar body colored? It can very easily be black to hide it, plus you could put the door handle and lock there (like the Beretta) and give the doors a smooth, shaved look. Ooooh, the possiblities....

Plus, I'm partial to a B-pillar because I think it could help rear visability by reducing the mass of the C-pillars, and increasing visability; even in a sports car/coupe this is an area I don't support function over form.

Then again, I'm one o'dem foward tinkers who doesn't think the car has to look a crap load like a '69 to look like a Camaro.
Here's another thought. If they choose to use the b-pillar design and don't go with t-tops, they can put a window frame on the door, which would sure be nice. The frameless windows on the current cars causes the windows to loosen up and also makes the cars very easy to break into. I'd still rather have t-tops though.



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