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Old 12-05-2005 | 04:32 PM
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Re: Which automatic transmission will the 5th gen get?

Originally Posted by IREngineer
By that time the Mustang WILL have 6 speeds. Mustang is not standing still. Some here know me pretty well, and it will shock them to know that my deposit money may actually be going towards a 2009 Mustang, not Camaro...
Tell us why.
Old 12-05-2005 | 04:48 PM
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Re: Which automatic transmission will the 5th gen get?

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You don't think the 500 lbs weight difference will be enough?


Camaros have consistently been heavier than Corvette's throughout history, but this didn't mean that GM automatically gave Camaro's every option Corvette's had did it?
Old 12-05-2005 | 05:10 PM
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If there is a Camaro out by then, I would think the smart money would be on a 6 speed auto just because it is already making its introduction at GM now and soon it will make no sense to build any 4 speeds for any cars, economically speaking.
Old 12-05-2005 | 05:45 PM
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Originally Posted by buzz12586
I would take both of your money.
...only to hand it over to me

Seriously, GM was a huge goal of getting their newly developed 6 speeds out to market ASAP. They are already in the Vette and are in the upcoming trucks.

I don't believe they have a 5 speed that will be able to handle the torque of a powerful V8 reliably...which leaves the 6 speed.

The new 6 speeds are of a superior design, using new technology. Furthermore, the potential of a 5-8% increase in gas mileage is a great selling point. I'll see if I can find the article I pulled that quote from.

I am no GM insider, and no fan of the way they are doing business, but I'd bet a paycheck that the new Camaro uses the 6 speed. I just can't see GM *NOT* doing such a thing.

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Old 12-05-2005 | 06:17 PM
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Re: Which automatic transmission will the 5th gen get?

Originally Posted by 91_z28_4me
You don't think the 500 lbs weight difference will be enough?
Oh man, I really hope the new Camaro doesn't weigh 3,700 lbs...IMHO that is just way to much for any car with sporting aspirations of any type I don't want my next car to be a land whale, and if it turns out that way there would be a good chance I wouldn't buy one ....

Anyway, concerning trannys I would think, (and hope), that they would come with an A6. Not that it would really matter to me as I'll be driving a manual unless they make something like zeroshift availible I just think it needs to have an A6 so that people don't think that it's low-tech, or out-dated or something like that...I think a A6 with some sort of tap shift feature would definitely help to bring in more buyers...I don't see why GM wouldn't use it.
Old 12-05-2005 | 06:33 PM
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Originally Posted by Z284ever
Tell us why.

x2...that got my attention, too...

FWIW, who cares what AT the car will get? Real enthusiasts will buy the stick anyway...women and children will choose the AT, and won't care how many gears it has

Anyway, 6L80E will be the weapon of choice, for those who choose it.
Old 12-05-2005 | 06:41 PM
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Re: Which automatic transmission will the 5th gen get?

Originally Posted by thesoundandthefury
GM is probably gonna be extra cautious in how it rations out the "goodies" between the Camaro and the Vette so that the Vette remains the comfortable frontrunner.
I don't think GM is going to spend extra money to keep the 4 speed around just to keep the Camaro down. Also note that the 6 speed manual came out with the LT1 in the Vette then came out in the Camaro 1 year later.

If pickup trucks have 6 speeds, Camaros should have them. 6 speed will also help GM meet CAFE and EPA standards.
Old 12-05-2005 | 06:59 PM
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x2...that got my attention, too...

FWIW, who cares what AT the car will get? Real enthusiasts will buy the stick anyway...women and children will choose the AT, and won't care how many gears it has

Anyway, 6L80E will be the weapon of choice, for those who choose it.
Sorry guys, falls under the "I'd have to kill you" file.

There are many "changes" coming (A6 will be here before then), and I am impressed. Impressed enough to almost forget that I am a 2-time Camaro owner and loved every minute of it. We will have to see what gets hacked at the last minute like the '05 S197, but it looks VERY promising...

- Beat you to it Cosby...
Old 12-05-2005 | 07:07 PM
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Also note that the 6 speed manual came out with the LT1 in the Vette then came out in the Camaro 1 year later.
The T-56 first appeared in the Vette in 89'. That's taken directly from this site:

http://64.233.167.104/search?q=cache...vette%3F&hl=en

One of the first cars sold in America with a six-speed was the '89 Corvette. Designed by Chevrolet and Zahnradfabrik Friedrichshafen (ZF) and built by ZF in Germany, this tough-as-nails six-speed was available in the Corvette up to the conclusion of the '96 model year. Today, the Corvette uses a Tremec T56 six-speed mounted at the back of the car.
It didn't show up in Camaro's till 93', but that's besides the point. I'm not arguing that a 6L80E won't be in the 5th gen, I'm just trying to gauge things from a historical standpoint. I'm all for it being there the first year, but I'm not going to hold my breath for it either. How's that old saying go? "Expect the worst and hope for the best."
Old 12-05-2005 | 08:40 PM
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Re: Which automatic transmission will the 5th gen get?

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The T-56 first appeared in the Vette in 89'. That's taken directly from this site:

http://64.233.167.104/search?q=cache...vette%3F&hl=en



It didn't show up in Camaro's till 93', but that's besides the point. I'm not arguing that a 6L80E won't be in the 5th gen, I'm just trying to gauge things from a historical standpoint. I'm all for it being there the first year, but I'm not going to hold my breath for it either. How's that old saying go? "Expect the worst and hope for the best."
Well the regular production corvette did not get the 6 speed that was only for the zr1 in 1989 I believe. The 92 camaro was supposed to get a 6 speed in a special edition z28 hertiage edition but was sheveld due to cost I believe
Old 12-05-2005 | 08:50 PM
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Actually, I believe that car used the ZF...either way, I know it was an RS
Old 12-05-2005 | 09:02 PM
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The 6-speed in the C4 vettes up to its last year were ZF's . The T56 didnt go to vette until the first year of the C5 . ZF was also in the never made 92 Heritege RS .
Old 12-05-2005 | 09:04 PM
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Re: Which automatic transmission will the 5th gen get?

6L80E with optional manumatic shifting.
Old 12-05-2005 | 09:34 PM
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The 6-speed in the C4 vettes up to its last year were ZF's . The T56 didnt go to vette until the first year of the C5 . ZF was also in the never made 92 Heritege RS .
T-56 is just a model name for the 6-speed manual. It works the same as the 4L60/E.

4=#of gears, L=longitudinally mounted, 60=lb./ft. of torque handling capacity at the input shaft. (It's actually 600, which is divided by 2 by the torque converter.)

T-56 is: T=transmission, 5=#of regular gears, 6=# of gears with overdrive included. (Below final drive ratio of 1:1)

To say that the T-56 didn't go into the Vette until the first year of the C5 is false, because all 6-speed manual trannies are T-56's. ZF is just the name of a manufacturer, as is Tremec, which took over supply of T-56's at the onset of C5 production. T-56's for F bodies came from Borg Warner.
Old 12-05-2005 | 09:56 PM
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Re: Which automatic transmission will the 5th gen get?

Originally Posted by Chris 96 WS6
No, if you understand automatic transmission (which I don't, but upon reading extensively a while back I understood them for a few minutes), its actually pretty easy to add a gear through a new planetary set. I've not seen one of these new 6 speed yet but my guess is its just an evolution of the 4 speeds and not a totally clean sheet design. So I don't think the cost would be much, if any, more.
Chris, you're dead wrong. The 6L80E is part of a family of new 6 speed automatic transmissions. There are 4 out of 2 cases.

I feel that every rear wheel drive vehicle that GM offers should use this new 6 speed automatic transmission family.



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