Base Model - V6
01-22-2006 | 06:55 PM
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Re: Base Model - V6
Originally Posted by MagnaPilot
The DOHC engines are likely to be a bit of a long shot as well considering the prices of them. If GM wants to keep the entry level camaro down in price. They would be smarter to use the 60* family of motors. Besides, every F-body for the last 20 years has had a 60* OHV motor... why not keep going?
01-22-2006 | 10:12 PM
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Re: Base Model - V6
Mid 15s? That is 4th gen territory, but they are more like low 15s if you got LSD and either the manual or the auto with 3.42s. The freak 00+ 3.42 autos could hit 14s on occasion.
The big questions are
1. How much weight?
2. What gearing (transmission choice and rear axle)?
3. LSD?
I think if weight is under control and the Camaro gets a six speed auto, I wouldn't be surprised if a base could hit high/mid 14s. But there are a couple big ifs in there.
The big questions are
1. How much weight?
2. What gearing (transmission choice and rear axle)?
3. LSD?
I think if weight is under control and the Camaro gets a six speed auto, I wouldn't be surprised if a base could hit high/mid 14s. But there are a couple big ifs in there.
01-22-2006 | 10:20 PM
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Re: Base Model - V6
Well, lets really take a look at what we have to deal with, and it comes down to 2 engines.
1 is the cheap 3.9 VVT V6 making 250
2 is the expesnive OHC 3.6 VVT, quickly approaching 300hp.
If #2 is the option, and makes 300hp, is there need for a mid level V8?
1 is the cheap 3.9 VVT V6 making 250
2 is the expesnive OHC 3.6 VVT, quickly approaching 300hp.
If #2 is the option, and makes 300hp, is there need for a mid level V8?
01-23-2006 | 06:02 AM
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Re: Base Model - V6
Originally Posted by 5thGen
Dis,
you are going to need to wait until the actual engine is announced, then you will need to wait until the car is released with the engine. This will show what can and can't be done. For example, it may come with higher compression, or weak pistons, meaning Forced induction is not really an option. On the other hand it could come stock with forged rods and pistons and 9:0 to 1 compression and thrive at 15 lbs of boost.
here are a few in the GM portfolio......
2.8 DOHC in CTS................ = 210 hp
3.5 OHV in G6.................... = 201
3.5 SOHC in Vue................ = 250
3.6 OHV in the LaCrosse...... = 240
3.6 DOHC in SRX................ = 255
3.8 OHV in Gran Prix........... = 260
3.9 OHV in G6................... = 240
As you can see, they have a few choices. I would say the 3.5 SOHC or the 3.6 DOHC would be great in the Camaro especially if tuned to get a little more power. Then again, the V8 will be a pushrod motor, so the 260 hp 3.8 would really embarass the Mustang V6, the BMW 330, and many other entry level V6 cars as it is.
We'll have to wait and see.
you are going to need to wait until the actual engine is announced, then you will need to wait until the car is released with the engine. This will show what can and can't be done. For example, it may come with higher compression, or weak pistons, meaning Forced induction is not really an option. On the other hand it could come stock with forged rods and pistons and 9:0 to 1 compression and thrive at 15 lbs of boost.
here are a few in the GM portfolio......
2.8 DOHC in CTS................ = 210 hp
3.5 OHV in G6.................... = 201
3.5 SOHC in Vue................ = 250
3.6 OHV in the LaCrosse...... = 240
3.6 DOHC in SRX................ = 255
3.8 OHV in Gran Prix........... = 260
3.9 OHV in G6................... = 240
As you can see, they have a few choices. I would say the 3.5 SOHC or the 3.6 DOHC would be great in the Camaro especially if tuned to get a little more power. Then again, the V8 will be a pushrod motor, so the 260 hp 3.8 would really embarass the Mustang V6, the BMW 330, and many other entry level V6 cars as it is.
We'll have to wait and see.
also there is no OHV 3.6L. the one in the LeCrosse is the HFV6 (same family as the 2.8/3.6 in the CTS/SRX).
01-23-2006 | 09:36 AM
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Re: Base Model - V6
Originally Posted by Big Als Z
Well, lets really take a look at what we have to deal with, and it comes down to 2 engines.
1 is the cheap 3.9 VVT V6 making 250
2 is the expesnive OHC 3.6 VVT, quickly approaching 300hp.
If #2 is the option, and makes 300hp, is there need for a mid level V8?
1 is the cheap 3.9 VVT V6 making 250
2 is the expesnive OHC 3.6 VVT, quickly approaching 300hp.
If #2 is the option, and makes 300hp, is there need for a mid level V8?
01-23-2006 | 02:06 PM
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Re: Base Model - V6
Originally Posted by 5thGen
here are a few in the GM portfolio......
2.8 DOHC in CTS................ = 210 hp
3.5 OHV in G6.................... = 201
3.5 SOHC in Vue................ = 250
3.6 OHV in the LaCrosse...... = 240
3.6 DOHC in SRX................ = 255
3.8 OHV in Gran Prix........... = 260
3.9 OHV in G6................... = 240
2.8 DOHC in CTS................ = 210 hp
3.5 OHV in G6.................... = 201
3.5 SOHC in Vue................ = 250
3.6 OHV in the LaCrosse...... = 240
3.6 DOHC in SRX................ = 255
3.8 OHV in Gran Prix........... = 260
3.9 OHV in G6................... = 240
In addition, the 3.5L SOHC in the Vue will NOT be going in the new Camaro. If it does, I'm switching to Ford.
That is actually the Honda engine (the Vue uses the Honda 3.5L/ 5 speed automatic combo), which was part of a powertrain deal made with Honda. We bought some of their V6s (the previous Vue V6 was a tired, 3.0L with ~181 hp, an old Opel engine), in exchange for them buying some small diesel engines to be used in Europe, I believe. If the new Camaro were to show up with that engine under the hood, instead of a GM engine, I'd go insane.
My current guess would be a version of the 3.9L (currently makes 240 hp in the Impala) or a version of the 3.6L.
01-23-2006 | 02:18 PM
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Re: Base Model - V6
Originally Posted by displacement
I happen to be a 30 year old, married and with 2 kids, living in a single income family. Its very likely that if the concept gets the green light, I will only be able to afford the base model and that will be stretching it. But...I've always wanted a Camaro. I grew up always envious of my Uncle who owned every generation of Camaro. Now its my turn! So...
I was wondering what kind of specs you guys might think the base model would include. How much horsepower, what it might do 0-60, and the 1/4 mile times and how it would likely compare to the base models of the '06 Mustang and the Challenger concept.
I've heard some people say 250hp is likely for the V6. To me thats not very bad at all. Thats what? 40 more hp than the base V6 Mustang?
I could also see myself getting some mods on the V6 to try and push it up to an even 300hp. I'm not very smart when it comes to engine mods, but what suggestions would you guys make to someone in my position who wanted to squeeze a little more hp out of the V6 and is on a limited budget.
Thanks very much!
I was wondering what kind of specs you guys might think the base model would include. How much horsepower, what it might do 0-60, and the 1/4 mile times and how it would likely compare to the base models of the '06 Mustang and the Challenger concept.
I've heard some people say 250hp is likely for the V6. To me thats not very bad at all. Thats what? 40 more hp than the base V6 Mustang?
I could also see myself getting some mods on the V6 to try and push it up to an even 300hp. I'm not very smart when it comes to engine mods, but what suggestions would you guys make to someone in my position who wanted to squeeze a little more hp out of the V6 and is on a limited budget.
Thanks very much!
Why not wait 2 yrs and buy a V8 car used? I'm in a similar situation (31, married, one income, 1 kid, prolly 2 by the time the car hits the showrooms), and if I can't afford a new V8 model when it comes out I will wait and go used. I have zero desire for a Camaro with a V6...I know we need to sell a lot of them for the car to succeed but its just not my thing, I would feel emasculated driving a V6 pony car.
01-23-2006 | 02:35 PM
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Re: Base Model - V6
Originally Posted by MagnaPilot
The DOHC engines are likely to be a bit of a long shot as well considering the prices of them. If GM wants to keep the entry level camaro down in price. They would be smarter to use the 60* family of motors. Besides, every F-body for the last 20 years has had a 60* OHV motor... why not keep going?
ummm the 3800 motor in the 4th gen was a 90 degree v6 and that car actually performed pretty well i would expect the v6 they put in the 5th gen to perform even better
01-23-2006 | 03:49 PM
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Re: Base Model - V6
I honestly can't see them offering a high performance V6, unless they integrate AFM into the next gen V6s. Could you imagine trying to sell a 250hp V6 that only gets 27 mpg highway, when they sell a 400hp V8 that gets 30 mpg with AFM?
I'd imagine whichever low output V6 comes in the Impala LS at the time Camaro is launched, its what we'll see in the base Camaro. (Assuming that a RWD Impala comes out before we see Camaro.)
I'd imagine whichever low output V6 comes in the Impala LS at the time Camaro is launched, its what we'll see in the base Camaro. (Assuming that a RWD Impala comes out before we see Camaro.)
01-23-2006 | 04:22 PM
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Re: Base Model - V6
Originally Posted by 96_Camaro_B4C
Actually, the Lacrosse has a 3800 at ~200 hp, OR the 240 hp option, which in the LaCrosse is a variant of the 3.6L DOHC ("high feature") V6, also used in the Cadillacs at 255 hp (as you listed). There is no 3.6L OHV V6.
In addition, the 3.5L SOHC in the Vue will NOT be going in the new Camaro. If it does, I'm switching to Ford. That is actually the Honda engine (the Vue uses the Honda 3.5L/ 5 speed automatic combo), which was part of a powertrain deal made with Honda. We bought some of their V6s (the previous Vue V6 was a tired, 3.0L with ~181 hp, an old Opel engine), in exchange for them buying some small diesel engines to be used in Europe, I believe. If the new Camaro were to show up with that engine under the hood, instead of a GM engine, I'd go insane.
My current guess would be a version of the 3.9L (currently makes 240 hp in the Impala) or a version of the 3.6L.
In addition, the 3.5L SOHC in the Vue will NOT be going in the new Camaro. If it does, I'm switching to Ford.
That is actually the Honda engine (the Vue uses the Honda 3.5L/ 5 speed automatic combo), which was part of a powertrain deal made with Honda. We bought some of their V6s (the previous Vue V6 was a tired, 3.0L with ~181 hp, an old Opel engine), in exchange for them buying some small diesel engines to be used in Europe, I believe. If the new Camaro were to show up with that engine under the hood, instead of a GM engine, I'd go insane.My current guess would be a version of the 3.9L (currently makes 240 hp in the Impala) or a version of the 3.6L.
Well, I was looking up the info off Yahoo Autos, and got the info mixed up, you're right, the 3.8 is rated at 200, and the 3.6 is a DOHC listed at 240.
Didn't know about the Vue's engine. Very odd. I am sure that agreement will end after the Vue is replaced.
Anyway, I think the 3.9L would be sufficient with even ten more hp. But then again they may want to stay ahead of the curve (ford's 250 hp 3.5) and offer up something with 260 or so.
Also now that I think about it, Fords jump to 250 in the base will make the V6 only 50 hp less than the GT, so the GT will most likely be getting a jump too, maybe 340 - 350hp?
This will make the 400 hp V8 more realistic as the base V8 in the Camaro, but will probably still be murder on insurance rates.