Beating the Dead horse(again)……Z28 vs. SS = Z28 TOP DOG

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01-20-2006 | 02:28 PM

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Ultra_Dog

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Re: Beating the Dead horse(again)……Z28 vs. SS = Z28 TOP DOG

Lucky me...I have a 1996 Z28 SS. I can ride the fence all day long...

Of course, all of them are just marketing badges to persuade buyers to dispense with their cash. If GM could sell more by calling them TT or Y32, then that would be their new name/moniker.

So do you crack your eggs from the little end or the big end.

"Which two mighty Powers have, as I was going to tell you, been engaged in a most obstinate War for six and thirty Moons past. It began upon the following Occasion. It is allowed on all Hands, that the primitive way of breaking Eggs, before we eat them, was upon the larger End: But his present Majesty's Grand-father, while he was a Boy, going to eat an Egg, and breaking it according to the ancient Practice, happened to cut one of his Fingers. Whereupon the Emperor his Father published an Edict, commanding all his Subjects, upon great Penaltys, to break the smaller End of their Eggs. The People so highly resented this Law, that our Histories tell us there have been six Rebellions raised on that account; wherein one Emperor lost his Life, and another his Crown..." A Voyage to Lilliput, Ch 4, Gulliver's Travels.

01-20-2006 | 02:38 PM

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Re: Beating the Dead horse(again)……Z28 vs. SS = Z28 TOP DOG

How about Yenko as top dog?

01-20-2006 | 02:45 PM

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Re: Beating the Dead horse(again)……Z28 vs. SS = Z28 TOP DOG

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How about Yenko as top dog?

No. Yenkos were "dealer" cars from Yenko Chevrolet. Just as there were Bergers, Danas, Nickeys, Motions, etc.

01-20-2006 | 02:48 PM

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Re: Beating the Dead horse(again)……Z28 vs. SS = Z28 TOP DOG

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Originally Posted by Chris 96 WS6

How many times have I already answered this in this thread?

Here's why not: Because how many people in today's market want a lot of HP and no handling or all handling and no umph?

The highest performing model needs to be THE HIGHEST PERFORMING MODEL in all respects.

Easy concept here: The model lineups and customer preferences of 35 years ago won't work today, PERIOD.

Thanks for answering. I was wondering. I never said once that the model lineups and customer preferences of 35 years ago would work today. I'm just glad the Camaro is coming back. I will, however, say that cars are the most expensive Rigid product anyone can buy.
I guess I'm saying I don't care which is top dog. Just be happy it's coming back.

01-20-2006 | 02:50 PM

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Re: Beating the Dead horse(again)……Z28 vs. SS = Z28 TOP DOG

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No. Yenkos were "dealer" cars from Yenko Chevrolet. Just as there were Bergers, Danas, Nickeys, Motions, etc.

Yeah, I know. I'm just tired of hearing about this and wanted to mix up the debate a little bit.

PS - SS is King!

01-20-2006 | 06:16 PM

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Re: Beating the Dead horse(again)……Z28 vs. SS = Z28 TOP DOG

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As I recall super stock classes were factored by factory horsepower ratings. The 302 was rated at 290 hp so it was low. That's why it was such a dominant car in 1968. I have owned 2 68 Z28 cars and they are great cars. When I was in high school my neighbor purchased a 1967 Z28. It was very fast and did very well if it had low gears. My brother in law bought a new Z-28 and raced it a lot. He still recalls how how many races he won and how fast it was. He also recalls how his *** was handed to him bad by an L78 camaro. It would take an extremely well prepped Z28 of 68 or 69 vintage to keep up with an LS1 today. These cars are 14 second cars stock.

I thought the the Z28 was the coolest car built when it was new and I was in high school. It was great but not near as fast as many people would like to believe. The Z28 had a neat engine and 15 inch wheels. The rest of the parts were basically SS parts. They would beat some big block cars but could also be beat by other big block cars and even some small block cars like L79 327 nova's and corvettes.

97 SS

Youre still talking 1/4 mile. Thats fun and all but I am 65 miles from work not a 1/4 mile. I want the road racer G Machine M3 competition that I can occasionaly take to the dragstrip. I want to see a car that people set up for drifting. Im thinking go after the Z350 market with small block power and by the way a back seat and trunk. That is what I think of when I think Z28.

If I wanted an all out Drag car you would be right. Id put a big block low gears and drag shocks and call it an SS. Something that would be wound out at the end of the 1320 and would probably have to be a second car.

01-20-2006 | 06:31 PM

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Re: Beating the Dead horse(again)……Z28 vs. SS = Z28 TOP DOG

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I posted this else where but, I'm asking. Why can't Z28 be suspention and SS be a higher output motor? Just a thought. Why can't you have a Z28 SS? This might be bad logic but, I'm just thinking.

SS is all out power 1/4 mile car regaurdless of handleing. Z28 is SCCA road racer small block with whatever ci SCCA would allow. I guess they saw LS1 as the SS motor of today in the Z28 road car?

Z28 Road Racer Car
SS Hot Rod Car almost Drag car

The SS Hot Rod is cool but if I had a choice Id pick the Z28 road racer...

01-20-2006 | 06:33 PM

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Re: Beating the Dead horse(again)……Z28 vs. SS = Z28 TOP DOG

For the 302 vs 396 debate...the 302 was a tricked out factory piece, some had to be produced so they could use it in the race series limited to 5.0 liters.
Don't even think of it in the same league as the 302 Ford,

I love the 396's especially since my dad owned one and we raced it a lot, it had a crappy factory cam, worn out in like less than 6 months. Even the factory "hot" 327's could keep up with the 396's until about 100mph, I was there. Dad installed a Crane cam, tweaked the 850 Holley, truck clutched it, and added some REAL tires and THEN, could pull the front wheels up on a 5000+ rpm drop!
But a factory 325 or 375 396, would easily get trompped by the 302 HO. And yes, a 396 gives up 300 lbs weight easy, to the 302.
There is no substitute for cubic inches, providing similar "racing" pieces were used on both, they weren't.

01-20-2006 | 06:35 PM

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Re: Beating the Dead horse(again)……Z28 vs. SS = Z28 TOP DOG

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No. Yenkos were "dealer" cars from Yenko Chevrolet. Just as there were Bergers, Danas, Nickeys, Motions, etc.

Thats not true. The Fred Gibb and others that sold the COPOs in 69 were FACTORY. Also The Yenkos in 69 were COPOs with Yenko stickers.

01-20-2006 | 06:36 PM

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Don't even think of it in the same league as the 302 Ford,

But thats exactly what the 302 69 Boss was. What are you talking about?

01-20-2006 | 07:19 PM

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But a factory 325 or 375 396, would easily get trompped by the 302 HO. And yes, a 396 gives up 300 lbs weight easy, to the 302.
There is no substitute for cubic inches, providing similar "racing" pieces were used on both, they weren't.

You're on crack.

The 302's got PUMMELLED by the 375hp 396's, and no drag racer with half a brain in his head from the era would say otherwise.

BBC cylinder heads are VASTLY more efficient than SBC heads in the flow department. The coupled exhaust ports on the SBC should be your first clue as to what is going on there.

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01-20-2006 | 09:05 PM

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Thats not true. The Fred Gibb and others that sold the COPOs in 69 were FACTORY. Also The Yenkos in 69 were COPOs with Yenko stickers.

COPO and YENKO aren't the same thing. Not all COPOs were Yenkos, nor were all Yenkos COPOs.

01-20-2006 | 09:08 PM

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Re: Beating the Dead horse(again)……Z28 vs. SS = Z28 TOP DOG

I feel like a kid who stirred up an ant pile.....9 pages and still going....

01-21-2006 | 02:53 AM

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Re: Beating the Dead horse(again)……Z28 vs. SS = Z28 TOP DOG

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COPO and YENKO aren't the same thing. Not all COPOs were Yenkos, nor were all Yenkos COPOs.

I didnt say that they were. The first two years he put in the motors himself. I said that some of them were. The 69 was COPO though. I saw the Berger and thought I recognized it as a COPO dealer but wasnt sure. Fred Gibb was a COPO dealer which is why I brought it up. Im not sure Yenko would be appropriate. But is COPO? COPO is nothing more than a way to order parts for your vehicle. But then again Z28 was the option code. Everyone knows the SLP SS, and SLP wasnt even GM. Everything starts from somewhere. What about a Performance Division ZL1 or PD ZL1? As long as its not confused with Police Department, I dont know...

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01-21-2006 | 11:43 AM

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Re: Beating the Dead horse(again)……Z28 vs. SS = Z28 TOP DOG

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COPO is nothing more than a way to order parts for your vehicle.

Partially correct. To order taxis, police cruisers and any vehicle configuration not offered to the general public, you used a Central Office Production Order. I believe they're still used today.