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Old 07-14-2007 | 09:00 AM
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A bit skeptical on pricing...

First off I just wanted to say hello to you all, I've been lurking around for the past few weeks on this forum since I've discovered it, but have been following the new Camaro ever since the rumors started up until the official announcement. I wanted to post here to see what the rest of you guys think on the pricing. I know it was officially announced that the price of the new Camaro would be comparable to the Mustang, which would be around $27000 for a base V8. But, my skepticism lies in the fact that GM has been releasing cars at higher prices that pretty much lack in the performance category as well. The GTO was a big letdown and that was priced at over $30000, I think it's around $33000 still just for an '06. Not to mention, the G8 that's coming out which looks almost exactly like the GTO is going retail around $35000 for a base-model V8. How do they expect to release such a badass looking Camaro and make it comparable to the Mustang when they have Pontiacs coming out for almost $10000 more and most likely lack the performance of the 2009 Camaro?

I figured the price was the reason why the GTO was discontinued because noone really wanted the thing, but they're attempting again. I understand the Camaro has always been the 'poor-man's corvette' but comparing it to the G8 the Camaro should really cost a lot more.. which is kind of shattering my hopes of buying something that could spank the Mustang at just about the same cost as it.. which has always been the reason why I've favored Camaro's. If I'm going to pay almost $40000 in 2009, I'd rather go out and find me a Corvette today... I just hope they stick to their word about being comparable.

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Old 07-14-2007 | 09:39 AM
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My 2002 Camaro SS stickered at over $33,000...which is what a more powerful and arguably better built GTO stickers for now, 5 years later.

The GTO isn't necessarily dead, BTW.

And as far as what the 2009 Camaro is priced at, I will say again what I have been told...
"Expected to be within a few hundred dollars of a similarly equipped Mustang."

This may change for the better or the worse, but the point is that Chevrolet knows it has to be affordable. This part is NOT speculation, it is indeed fact.
Old 07-14-2007 | 09:47 AM
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I can see an SS going for that much, and while yes the GTO may be more powerful horsepower wise.. an '02 SS would probably sit right next to it, I always thought their 1/4 mile times were about the same. That was the whole disappointing thing considering the new Mustangs, while they look cool.. and boast 300 horsepower, a 20 year old Camaro could still probably be a match for it. Speed isn't everything though, but if we could get a base model V8 for the price of the Mustang.. I'd be really suprised, things do seem to be getting more expensive these days.

I was just a little taken aback by the $35,000 mark that the G8 is speculated to cost, and the fact it was built on the same platform.

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Old 07-14-2007 | 10:20 AM
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Originally Posted by j18369
I can see an SS going for that much, and while yes the GTO may be more powerful horsepower wise.. an '02 SS would probably sit right next to it, I always thought their 1/4 mile times were about the same.
I wasn't referencing 1/4 mile times, just referencing the horsepower numbers. 400 hp GTO, 325 hp Camaro. Same price, 5 years later. Not bad!

if we could get a base model V8 for the price of the Mustang.. I'd be really suprised, things do seem to be getting more expensive these days.
Might want to see what I said in my previous post.

I was just a little taken aback by the $35,000 mark that the G8 is speculated to cost, and the fact it was built on the same platform.
Sharing platform doesn't mean sharing the sticker price. There is a lot more to a car other than the platform!

The whole pricing thing has been covered quite a bit, but I am not entirely worried. They know it won't sell if no one can afford to buy it.
Old 07-14-2007 | 05:25 PM
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Jason... when did you get a TBSS?
Old 07-14-2007 | 05:54 PM
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I also think it's worth noting here that GM said that the G8 GT(base V8) would be priced "Well below" the $35K mark.

The GTO is much, much more than a Camaro, and the single model and "Base" MSRP reflects that.

When pricing a car, things are considered beyond just performance. Comparing performance and pricing(ESPECIALLY with GM) in this regard is extremely silly.
Old 07-14-2007 | 07:37 PM
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Here is how we should expect things to stack up.

The base Camaro V6 will be near the same as the base Mustang V6

The What I expect mid performance V6 will be around the price just below the Mustang GT

The what I expect SS will be 430 HP and priced just over the Mustang GT

The Z28 will be the top dog and will offer more HP for about the same price as a Sheby.

All in all we can't say a price as this is still 2 years out but we can expect the Camaro to be priced competitively with the Mustang and I also hope to provide a better value with more Features as the Mustang is not really Feature rich.

As for the G8 I would expect the V6 to start at $26,000 and the GT V8 to start at $29,000. Fully loaded expect $35,000.

When a GXP hits look for a $39.000-$44,000 car to match or beat the price of a SRT8. It may not be a full on HSV Holden pacage but I would expect some major changes from the G8 GT in performance and styling.

This is just all my best guesstimate but I don't think I am too far off on these base on info that has leaked out and statments from GM.

Oh The GTO once it arrives will be a much diferrent car than the Camaro, bigger longer less price dependent. It will have more high end features and options. I would look for it to be in the $30,000 plus starting and full on featured at just over $40,000. Keep in mind the price of the GTO is a guess on 2010 or 11 and will be a high feature lower volume car than the Camaro. Don't look for a V6.
Old 07-14-2007 | 08:45 PM
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Originally Posted by j18369
I can see an SS going for that much, and while yes the GTO may be more powerful horsepower wise.. an '02 SS would probably sit right next to it
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The GTO was a big letdown and that was priced at over $30000, I think it's around $33000 still just for an '06. Not to mention, the G8 that's coming out which looks almost exactly like the GTO is going retail around $35000 for a base-model V8.
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I figured the price was the reason why the GTO was discontinued because noone really wanted the thing, but they're attempting again.
How exactly was the GTO a "a big letdown"? Before it ever came to America it was only supposed to run for 3 model years. Yes, sales didn't live up to GM's expectations, and everyone has their own theory on that... But, the car itself wasn't a let down, and gave the buyer a good deal for the price IMHO.

The GTO has one of the best interiors that GM has made, IRS, LS2, etc all for a mid $30 thousand price point. Compared to most all of the other performance mid-sized sedans in the market the GTO stacks up quite well. Where the GTO failed in its segment was in the upper end options. Before thinking that a GTO was overpriced, consider where the GTO came in at cost wise (most all GTOs could be had for $33,500 or less). Now consider than Jason mentioned that his 2002 Camaro SS came in over $33,000. Inflation adjusted, that $33,000 in 2002 is $37,581 in 2007. (calc)

On to performance. The GTO more than quick enough. It can go fast in a straight line, and turn pretty good too. Think about who GM wanted to buy the GTO, and realize that going fast in a straight line isn't that car buyer's only mission. The GTO type car buyer wants an "Iron fist in a velvet glove."

If you haven't, I suggest going to a Pontiac dealership that has a 2006 GTO. Look at the car, and sit in it. If the dealer will let your drive it, better. But remember, the GTO isn't a Camaro, it wasn't meant to be.
Old 07-15-2007 | 06:41 PM
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Originally Posted by j18369
The GTO was a big letdown and that was priced at over $30000, I think it's around $33000 still just for an '06.
There were not many options for the GTO, especially in '04. Your options were color, and MT/AT. Everything else came with the car. GTO's were loaded. That is why they cost that much.

Also, 35k for a base V8 G8 is wrong. I don't remember which GM exec said this, but the G8 will be inline with Dodge Magnum pricing. That is 32k for the base V8. Charger base is 31k.

This is what I would expect.
Old 07-19-2007 | 03:56 PM
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This may change for the better or the worse, but the point is that Chevrolet knows it has to be affordable. This part is NOT speculation, it is indeed fact.
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