Hey I did that botched a 3-4 shift at the big end of the track, mod motors sound hella-good when the tach needle bounces off the left side of the guage. I kind wish the ECM had some sort of lifetime peak value datalogging capability just to see how far that rascal revved.

 

I'd bet it's the old full throttle, max rev, 3rd to hopefully 4th, but finding 2nd, shift.

 

What makes you think they don't?

 

Which is incredibly easy to do in the accords because they have very short throws and very narrow gates and very finicky clutches, if i ever get a family car, it'll be a v6 6 speed accord.

 

Good point. Didn't think of that...

 

If by mod motor you mean modular motor in a mustang, i work at ford now (i bounce around alot apparently lol), and yes on the 96+ mustang we can look up the "history" stored in the pcm for a certain time frame before last known but not much, if you drove it like a batt out of hell all the time then drove it like a grandma for 30 miles before u took it into the dealership, wed think u drive like a grandma.

 

I've got to say that this black box plsses me off. I just heard about a guy that had one drink and on the way home was involved in an accident that was not his fault.

Putting aside the obvious stupidy of drinking and driving, this guy was not drunk.

It turns out that the other guy had some insurance or other problem and that neither of them wanted to involve the police. They wanted to settle it among themselves.

Sorry. Police are on the way. Courtesy of OnStar because the airbag deployed. I will never buy a car with OnStar or a black box unless it comes with an option for peramanently disabling it.

This is the only reservation I have about buying the new Camaro. If I do buy it, the service department will be drilling a hole through the black box and Onstar before I drive it off the lot.

I will not accept big brother watching me in my own car for any reason. I certainly don't want to pay for it.

Just my 2 cents.

 

Sorta, wish I would have had something to check it out that day I botched the shift at the track, that would have been pretty interesting to see.

 

People have alot of misconceptions about the "black box"... For instance, as I hope most of you know, there really is no "black box". The info is downloaded mainly from airbag modules and the ECM/PCM. I do this sort of work for a living as an investigator and certified EDR Tech, and actually do it for one of the big 3 and just came back from a meeting two weeks ago on their new program. I don't want to say a whole lot, as I don't know what's exactly public info at this point, but a quick google search turned up this site...read up on it and it can inform you of exactly what these downloads can reveal. Now OnStar...that's a whole other animal.

http://www.accidentreconstruction.co.../edr/index.asp

 

If you're THAT worried about big brother watching you, you better get off the internet quick!!!!

Seriously though, You said the guy had a drink and drove then got into a wreck. Do you fully understand what DUI means? You do not have to over the legal limit to be considered under the influence, any level of alcohol into the blood stream affects reaction times and reflexes, Ive seen many people get DUI's for being on prescription medication at the time of an accident. If it impares you, and you drive, its a DUI and guess what its your fault.


As for the black box: Your 94 has this same thing on a certain level, all cars with a ecu have this. The ecu stores certain data parameters so that it can base its next move off of previous data, this helps the ecu perform its functions quicker since it doesnt have to recalc every situation. Think of it this way, its like when an internet site puts a cookie on your hard drive which stores some of the site on ur computer so it loads faster the next time. Your ecu does the same thing, it goes, ok at X% throttle in X gear at X rpm's the a/f ratio is X, so the next time it hits 38% throttle in 4th gear at 2300rpm's it knows how to adjust the air fuel mixture.


So yeah, if you want them to go drill a hole in ur ecu then go for it.

 

I've heard that some Sky & Solstice owners have had problems with OnStar detecting a crash during SCCA events. The airbags don’t deploy, but they are braking and turning hard enough that the OnStar operator comes on and asks if they are okay, which can be pretty distracting in the middle of a race.

Their solution is not activating the service.

 

Unplug the box. Can't quite do the same with the "black box", but onstar is still seperate AFAIK.

I'm not sure if i'll ever buy a new car with a "black box". I don't need someone watching me to make sure i behave. More so who's watching those who may be watching me? No one...

 

They are NOT watching you to make sure you behave. It is there for safety and warranty purposes. If you throw a rod and we find that your cars last known rpm was 10,500rpm then that means you were doing something stupid and driving the car incorrectly and you're warranty will go poof. Do they care that the last recorded speed was 138mph? No, if they cared if you went 138 theyd limit the car to go 85. Do they care if y ou do 0-60 runs off every stoplight? No as long as you dont miss a shift or improperly use the cltuch causing hot spots. As far as onstar is concerned, its a safety issue people, you complain because if the airbag depolys they call and make sure ur ok and if u dont say anything they send authorities. If you have an air bag deploying accident, they call ur car and ask you if you are ok, if you respond with "yes, im fine thank you" they ask you if you need assistance, you say "no, i have already called a tow truck. And poof, no authorities arrive. Its not a hard concept people.

 

Soon enough driving "hard" will be against warrrenties too. Already is with the nissan GT-R which requires an expensive dealership visit after a track day or you void the warrenty.

 

why would a car company warranty a car outside its intended operating peramters? besides, if you can afford an $125k nissan you can afford a dealership visit after a track day if you feel so inclined. Im not sure how the dealership would know uve been on the track but that besides the point.