Bob Lutz denies Production Camaro will be bigger than concept
02-27-2007, 06:05 PM
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Not at all. I'm more concerned with my location and finances permitting me to afford the car. Now that I've received a promotion and temporarily have to relocate to Whitehorse in the Yukon for a year or two, I'm looking at a Next Gen Silverado. Once I get out of whitehorse, I'll be in a place that is... How shall I put it... Not crappy conditions to drive a Camaro in.
02-27-2007, 09:06 PM
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Glad you asked and not me!! 
I wondered, but wasn't sure if that's what "indexing" was. I know exactly what that feature is ... a guy at work has a BMW that does exactly that. I thought it was a neat feature
... would be nice to see on the 5th-gen 
.
Basically, for those who don't quite understand, the window rolls up say, ~1/4 inch "higher" into the frame/seal around it. But if you tried to open the door, the window (being so far into the seal) would prevent the door from opening. SO, when you grab the handle, the window rolls down about ~1/4", out of the frame, and you can open the door. When you close it, then the window rolls up that extra ~1/4" and seals very well (which would stop how water can otherwise get in past the window seals on all 1st-4th Gen F-bodies
).
Great feature ... hope we get it!
I wondered, but wasn't sure if that's what "indexing" was. I know exactly what that feature is ... a guy at work has a BMW that does exactly that. I thought it was a neat feature
... would be nice to see on the 5th-gen .Basically, for those who don't quite understand, the window rolls up say, ~1/4 inch "higher" into the frame/seal around it. But if you tried to open the door, the window (being so far into the seal) would prevent the door from opening. SO, when you grab the handle, the window rolls down about ~1/4", out of the frame, and you can open the door. When you close it, then the window rolls up that extra ~1/4" and seals very well (which would stop how water can otherwise get in past the window seals on all 1st-4th Gen F-bodies
).Great feature ... hope we get it!
I don't mind admitting my ignorance when it comes to stuff like this. Most people here (I'd be willing to say 99.9%) know more about cars than me.
This feature sounds nice, but what happens when the mechanism that works it malfunctions? You can't open your door?
02-27-2007, 09:19 PM
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Nothing happens if it breaks, it just makes it harder to get the door shut due to no air pressure release. But if it breaks you have other problems...namely not being able to roll the window up/down, because its just an add-on to the power windows.
03-07-2007, 09:19 PM
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Can't see the Camaro not having this feature... all frameless doors should have it.
If your battery goes dead, opening the door is easy... as the moulding will bend to allow the fully raised window to move out.
Closing it is the hard part, as the moulding is back in its original position.
(At least, that's how it is on the Mustang)
For winter storage, before removing the battery, I have the door open so the window is down the 1/4 inch...so that when the battery is yanked the door can close/open, as it stays in that 1/4" down position.
Feature makes a huge difference on window seal.
03-09-2007, 02:42 PM
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The 05+ Mustang has this feature (short drop window)
Can't see the Camaro not having this feature... all frameless doors should have it.
If your battery goes dead, opening the door is easy... as the moulding will bend to allow the fully raised window to move out.
Closing it is the hard part, as the moulding is back in its original position.
(At least, that's how it is on the Mustang)
For winter storage, before removing the battery, I have the door open so the window is down the 1/4 inch...so that when the battery is yanked the door can close/open, as it stays in that 1/4" down position.
Feature makes a huge difference on window seal.
Can't see the Camaro not having this feature... all frameless doors should have it.
If your battery goes dead, opening the door is easy... as the moulding will bend to allow the fully raised window to move out.
Closing it is the hard part, as the moulding is back in its original position.
(At least, that's how it is on the Mustang)
For winter storage, before removing the battery, I have the door open so the window is down the 1/4 inch...so that when the battery is yanked the door can close/open, as it stays in that 1/4" down position.
Feature makes a huge difference on window seal.
On the Mustang it gives the illusion that the window is loose when you close the door. Sort of like how all frameless 70s era GM windows tended to loosen up over time and made that distinctive rattle when you closed the door.
03-12-2007, 06:34 AM
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Indexing isn't new. If I recall the BMW 850 series coupes from the mid-late 80s had this feature back then.
I think it would be nice. In fact, I think it would have been nice to see it on GM cars long before now, although the only cars left that could have benefitted after the G and B-body coupes departed were the F-bodies and the early Aurora and Riviera.
Hmmm, I remember that "distinctive rattle" now that you mention it - I know that I would have appreciated having indexing on my monte ss whose drivers side window would pop open when the speed got up over 50 km/h. And before anyone says it, yes, I adjusted the stops so that the glass came out a little more - it didn't really help.
I think it would be nice. In fact, I think it would have been nice to see it on GM cars long before now, although the only cars left that could have benefitted after the G and B-body coupes departed were the F-bodies and the early Aurora and Riviera.
Hmmm, I remember that "distinctive rattle" now that you mention it - I know that I would have appreciated having indexing on my monte ss whose drivers side window would pop open when the speed got up over 50 km/h. And before anyone says it, yes, I adjusted the stops so that the glass came out a little more - it didn't really help.
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