Big Als Z

We knew it was gunna be more expensive, but but how much will it be.
This 4 cyl has me worried. Its not about having teh 4cyl but more of the overall image of the car. Just like having a Camaro thats 2 tons, just like having a Camaro that is FWD, it just hurts the car's overall attuitude.

Challenger is a big (and I have now walked around and sat in one) steel turd, and it comes with a base V6, no turbo 4 from the Caliber. Why can they do it, why can Ford do it with a V6/V8, and GM has to use a 4cyl as a base engine?

Doesnt make sense. Is Zeta built for a 4cyl? What will be the cost to certify this turbo engine? What will be the cost to reengineer the engine cradle to fit the smaller 4cyl, a car designed to handle wide V6's and V8's?

savage99ss

I cracked up when i read this. I had to control my laughter at work.

scaz

How do you think that the price of this will compare to the sky? This version of the sky (red line) is 30,405. Would the Camaro 4 banger be cheaper and why?

TAEnvy

Its gonna sell like **** after the initial run which will without a doubt be snatched up. As much as I love camaro, I can see this being a huge flop, ala GTO.

DvBoard

10% is too much. %5 would be a much more realistic number IMO and should be the price GM shoots for as a MAXMIUM, as even 5% is over a $1000 difference.

Aaron91RS

Turbo 4 isn't going to get any better gas mileage then a DI V6, sorry, whats the point?
Solstice=17/26mpg with turbo 4 and WAY less weight and 260HP
Camaro LS1=17/26mpg with more weight and ~325HP
5th gen=heavy+turbo 4=hp/mpg joke

TrickStang37

is that 17/26 on the camaro by todays EPA MPG standards, or is it the old standard?

theroad64

Well, Chrysler is in the ****ter anyways. Ford isn't really riding a wave of success. GM is by far the most financially stable company of the three, and this decision to me reflects why. Smart fiscal planning, appealing to a wider range of buyers, and really thinking hard about what will give the product the best chance of success. A turbo four, much as I personally detest the idea is smart thinking.

Only time will tell.Petroleum has a choke hold on the nation anyway, and I don't expect it to level out anytime soon, if ever. Don't be afraid of change too much folks. Its not the GM Probe.

Aaron91RS

best I can tell those are both converted to the "new" standards.
It was off the site that shows the converted mpg.

Either way I compared it to an 06 solstice so they would both be on the same standard.

Grape Ape

Car and Driver says that the 08 Cobalt SS with the same turbo 2.0 (the LNF) and a different 5 speed gets 22/30. Maybe it’s the gearing or narrower tires, I don't imagine the Cobalt weighs much less than the Kappas (about 3000lbs).

http://www.caranddriver.com/reviews/...t_drive_review

But I suspect that this comes from someone at GM proposing the Traverse's 260hp 3.6 v6 and someone else says, lets use the 260 hp LNF and to save some weight and improve the balance.

It would be amusing if their was a I4 Camaro that was faster than a V6 Mustang to go with the V6 Camaro that should be faster than the ‘08 Mustang GT (too bad about the mid '09 upgrade). I imagine that the V6 Challenger also be slower than an LNF powered Camaro.

SNEAKY NEIL

If the Cobalt SS starts at near 23k with the same motor and is a much cheaper car, how much will the base I4 Camaro cost? I hope I am surprised by the pricing but it doesn't seem to be good. Having the Camaro premium priced next to the Mustang makes me nervous. It is going to place itself in niche-coupe territory if the price difference is to high. It seems to be more in 350Z territory, and that only sells 30-40k units per year. I am very nervous for the future of the Camaro.

Big Als Z

Pricing is a big thing too. The turbo 4 is the top engine in 4 cars, two of which start around 30k, the other two at 23k.

Grape Ape

I'm sure part of the is due to how ugly the 350Z is.

I don't think that an LNF powered Camaro is in the works, I just brought up the 08 Cobalt SS to point out that there could a mileage advantage.

From looking at the price difference between cars with the different optional engines and the other stuff that generally come bundled with them I can only conclude that there is not much difference in the manufacturers' cost. On on the G8 the optional engine (L76) looks like it might cost less than the base engine (LY7).