Camaro 1LE Performance Track Pack
03-30-2012 | 12:19 PM
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Re: Camaro 1LE Performance Track Pack
Well a few things we know.
- with the mention of ZL1 going to production they also said "its very interesting the historic competition between Z28 and the Boss"
- ZL1 was almost called Z28
- It's highly unlikely GM would replace Z28 moniker w 1LE
- Z28 is highly likely to make this line up
- The Boss has It's own specialized race developed motor.
- I suggested an SS 1LE track pack sloted between SS and Z28. It fits perfect and uses the historic name enthusiast know.
- with the mention of ZL1 going to production they also said "its very interesting the historic competition between Z28 and the Boss"
- ZL1 was almost called Z28
- It's highly unlikely GM would replace Z28 moniker w 1LE
- Z28 is highly likely to make this line up
- The Boss has It's own specialized race developed motor.
- I suggested an SS 1LE track pack sloted between SS and Z28. It fits perfect and uses the historic name enthusiast know.
03-30-2012 | 06:35 PM
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Re: Camaro 1LE Performance Track Pack
More or less, but don't forget that GM has very loudly proclaimed the ZL1 to be track ready, specifically calling out the GT500 in this area. Yet it's available in coupe or droptop, manual or auto.
Most ZL1 owners will never set foot on a track. Those that do have such plans will likely opt for the coupe. Similarly, most BOSS owners will never set foot on a track.
I don't see any hard reason why one can't get the 1LE package on the convertible. Or, if the 1LE moniker need to be preserved for true track-intended cars (which I can understand), then offer most of the 1LE hardware on the convertible and call it a "ride and handling package" or something.
The SS has been stuck with skinny 245 series front tires, while the smaller and lighter 4th gen offered 275s front and rear. IMO the SS brakes are more than adequate, so I could see a package for the convertible that includes the 1LE wheels (but not only in black, for crying out loud), a retuned suspension (same as 1LE or similar), and the shock tower brace. The gearing changes would be cool, too.
Again, give it a different RPO if 1LE needs to be kept sacred. That's fine. But there are people out there who like high performance cars (even if they never head to a road course) and also like convertibles.
All that said, obviously convertible owners can turn to the aftermarket to tighten up their cars if they like. But it would be cool to see a factory offering that is already well sorted, especially since the hardware is all there. The SS droptop uses the same suspension tuning as the SS coupe, and I think the ZL1 droptop mirrors the ZL1 coupe as well...
Most ZL1 owners will never set foot on a track. Those that do have such plans will likely opt for the coupe. Similarly, most BOSS owners will never set foot on a track.
I don't see any hard reason why one can't get the 1LE package on the convertible. Or, if the 1LE moniker need to be preserved for true track-intended cars (which I can understand), then offer most of the 1LE hardware on the convertible and call it a "ride and handling package" or something.
The SS has been stuck with skinny 245 series front tires, while the smaller and lighter 4th gen offered 275s front and rear. IMO the SS brakes are more than adequate, so I could see a package for the convertible that includes the 1LE wheels (but not only in black, for crying out loud), a retuned suspension (same as 1LE or similar), and the shock tower brace. The gearing changes would be cool, too.
Again, give it a different RPO if 1LE needs to be kept sacred. That's fine. But there are people out there who like high performance cars (even if they never head to a road course) and also like convertibles.
All that said, obviously convertible owners can turn to the aftermarket to tighten up their cars if they like. But it would be cool to see a factory offering that is already well sorted, especially since the hardware is all there. The SS droptop uses the same suspension tuning as the SS coupe, and I think the ZL1 droptop mirrors the ZL1 coupe as well...
03-30-2012 | 07:00 PM
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Re: Camaro 1LE Performance Track Pack
I don't see where there is room for a Z28 in the current Camaro lineup.
I don't see what the Z28 would have that the ZL1 or 1LE don't offer.
To me the unveiling of the 1LE means that there won't be a 5th Gen Z28. And quite frankly I don't think it's a bad thing. The 1LE doesn't have any brand history like Z28 does. I think the Camaro team is smart in that they didn't dare put Z28 on this 1LE track pack option because I think the backlash would have been severe. So far the response to 1LE seems mostly good because while it is a great package we are objective since it doesn't have the emotional brand baggage that Z28 has.
I don't see what the Z28 would have that the ZL1 or 1LE don't offer.
To me the unveiling of the 1LE means that there won't be a 5th Gen Z28. And quite frankly I don't think it's a bad thing. The 1LE doesn't have any brand history like Z28 does. I think the Camaro team is smart in that they didn't dare put Z28 on this 1LE track pack option because I think the backlash would have been severe. So far the response to 1LE seems mostly good because while it is a great package we are objective since it doesn't have the emotional brand baggage that Z28 has.
03-30-2012 | 09:53 PM
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Re: Camaro 1LE Performance Track Pack
I don't see where there is room for a Z28 in the current Camaro lineup.
I don't see what the Z28 would have that the ZL1 or 1LE don't offer.
To me the unveiling of the 1LE means that there won't be a 5th Gen Z28. And quite frankly I don't think it's a bad thing. The 1LE doesn't have any brand history like Z28 does. I think the Camaro team is smart in that they didn't dare put Z28 on this 1LE track pack option because I think the backlash would have been severe. So far the response to 1LE seems mostly good because while it is a great package we are objective since it doesn't have the emotional brand baggage that Z28 has.
I don't see what the Z28 would have that the ZL1 or 1LE don't offer.
To me the unveiling of the 1LE means that there won't be a 5th Gen Z28. And quite frankly I don't think it's a bad thing. The 1LE doesn't have any brand history like Z28 does. I think the Camaro team is smart in that they didn't dare put Z28 on this 1LE track pack option because I think the backlash would have been severe. So far the response to 1LE seems mostly good because while it is a great package we are objective since it doesn't have the emotional brand baggage that Z28 has.
03-30-2012 | 10:34 PM
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Re: Camaro 1LE Performance Track Pack
I'd say at this point if we were to get a Z28 it would be late in the 5th gen. life cycle as a special edition. That way GM can keep interest up on the 5th gen. until the 6th gen. is ready to go.
I'd love to see a Z28 come with a special high-revving smaller displacement V8 like the 4.8 or the 5.3. GM could go all out and make a 302 displacement V8. There was a 4th gen Camaro Concept with a LS based 302 V8. Another option would be to just drop in the supercharged 5.3 from the COPO.
I'd love to see a Z28 come with a special high-revving smaller displacement V8 like the 4.8 or the 5.3. GM could go all out and make a 302 displacement V8. There was a 4th gen Camaro Concept with a LS based 302 V8. Another option would be to just drop in the supercharged 5.3 from the COPO.
03-31-2012 | 04:50 PM
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Re: Camaro 1LE Performance Track Pack
Don't like the idea of a high-revving small motor mated to a still rather porky chassis. Small-CID, high revving engines typically don't make good mid-range power, and thus acceleration suffers when trying to move a lot of mass.
Here's hoping a future Z28 is moderately more powerful than the SS (ala Boss vs regular GT), but also lightened as much as possible (something the Boss doesn't have over the regular GT).
Here's hoping a future Z28 is moderately more powerful than the SS (ala Boss vs regular GT), but also lightened as much as possible (something the Boss doesn't have over the regular GT).
03-31-2012 | 08:11 PM
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Re: Camaro 1LE Performance Track Pack
My Z28:
Base v6 body
Wet sump LS7
1le transmission,rear axle ratio,axles
Magnetic ride control
Zl1 sway bars, springs, bushings.
19" forged wheels and nice rubber.
Zl1 brakes.
Recaros.
Fluid coolers.
If they can price it between an SS1le and fully equipped ZL1, I will buy it.
Base v6 body
Wet sump LS7
1le transmission,rear axle ratio,axles
Magnetic ride control
Zl1 sway bars, springs, bushings.
19" forged wheels and nice rubber.
Zl1 brakes.
Recaros.
Fluid coolers.
If they can price it between an SS1le and fully equipped ZL1, I will buy it.
04-02-2012 | 11:20 AM
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Re: Camaro 1LE Performance Track Pack
I'm kind of disappointed that they didn't give any kind of power increase. Not saying that it is lacking power, but from a marketing stand point it is tough to win over the people who aren't loyal GM/Chevy/Camaro buyers. The Boss is not only more handling oriented than the GT but it has more power. #'s sell cars plain and simple. When someone is on the fence looks on the cars are all great and the next selling point is power. Most people don't race but love to brag about how much power the car has. Selling to an enthusiast is easier than selling to someone just looking for the hot car to own. Also the name 1LE means nothing to the average buyer. It is just some random option package that they have never heard of. It is a great car but they just made the sell that much harder.
04-02-2012 | 12:07 PM
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Re: Camaro 1LE Performance Track Pack
Uhh..... electric power steering + dual mode exhaust (which would be open on an engine dyno) = more HP than a base Vette.
Fortunately team Mustang doesn't have any ego to compete with...
But this is from the same company that honestly thought it would be positive to stop saying "Chevy"
The Name Is 'Chevrolet' -- Not 'Chevy.' Er, Never Mind - DailyFinance
Fortunately team Mustang doesn't have any ego to compete with...
But this is from the same company that honestly thought it would be positive to stop saying "Chevy"
The Name Is 'Chevrolet' -- Not 'Chevy.' Er, Never Mind - DailyFinance
04-02-2012 | 04:16 PM
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Re: Camaro 1LE Performance Track Pack
By GM not changing the HP figures of the 1LE equipped LS3 tells me that they are not making any changes to the engine. No hotcam, heads, etc. They are not changing the LS3 like Ford did with the BOSS 302.
As for Z28 it's either LS3 powered as is or LSA from ZL1.
We can stop talking about LS7 or LS9. Because if they do use one of these engines then the Z28 will be more than the ZL1 in cost and at that point it might as well be like the COPO Camaro. Remove all weight, very limited production, high cost, ultimate Camaro.
Or maybe GM drops in the new Gen V V8 just for the Z28 and keeps the LS3/LSA on until the 6th Gen Camaro....
Although I would rather have the new Gen V as the base V8 like LS3 is now. I'm sure the bean counters do as well.
Or no Z28 in 5th Gen at all.
As for Z28 it's either LS3 powered as is or LSA from ZL1.
We can stop talking about LS7 or LS9. Because if they do use one of these engines then the Z28 will be more than the ZL1 in cost and at that point it might as well be like the COPO Camaro. Remove all weight, very limited production, high cost, ultimate Camaro.
Or maybe GM drops in the new Gen V V8 just for the Z28 and keeps the LS3/LSA on until the 6th Gen Camaro....
Although I would rather have the new Gen V as the base V8 like LS3 is now. I'm sure the bean counters do as well.
Or no Z28 in 5th Gen at all.
04-02-2012 | 05:35 PM
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Re: Camaro 1LE Performance Track Pack
With the SS priced in the low-mid $30K's, 1LE under $40k, and ZL1 priced in the mid $50K's; there's still plenty of room for an LS7 based 1LE called Z28.
04-02-2012 | 11:52 PM
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Re: Camaro 1LE Performance Track Pack
04-03-2012 | 11:11 AM
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