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Old 10-23-2007 | 06:05 PM
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Well I applaud your outlook and I don't care what model is the "top dawg" for the Camaro but until we get some better info on this it's all still speculation.

Not to poke fun, but you could also say "only a Z24 could be a Cavalier and only a Z34 could be a Lumina... " I have no doubt that Chevy will have a Z28 and SS on this Camaro, RS package would be nice too, but to go off past GM marketing isn't a great indication of where they go in the future.

I think with Scotts comments and support of the Z28 as being special to the Camaro has already shown us what to expect. Reread many of his past coments and it is pretty plain were they are going.

If you can understand Scott speak you can learn much in not only what he does say but what he does not say.

I am not going off old marketing here. I have never been one to want to live too much off the past. Same goes at Ford as a Shelby at Ford means Mustang where a GT can even be a Escort. It's just how it works.

Unfortunatly at Chrysler Shelby means too many things.
Old 10-23-2007 | 06:13 PM
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I for one believe the jury is still out. While I think there will be a NA 400+ hp V8, followed later by a SC 500+ hp V8 super Camaro, I don't believe a decision has been made as to which will be called which, other than one will be SS and the other Z28.

At this point I don't care anymore, provided I get my super Camaro.
Old 10-23-2007 | 06:19 PM
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I agree with you. There has been no discussion definitive enough to know for sure what GM is doing. All we have been told is that GM will do a Z28 right. That could mean a world of different things.
Old 10-23-2007 | 06:46 PM
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I agree with you. There has been no discussion definitive enough to know for sure what GM is doing. All we have been told is that GM will do a Z28 right. That could mean a world of different things.
True. No "official" word.

But.....


There's lots we talk about here with authority, even without "official" word.
Old 10-23-2007 | 06:56 PM
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I agree with you. There has been no discussion definitive enough to know for sure what GM is doing. All we have been told is that GM will do a Z28 right. That could mean a world of different things.
I would interpret that as they will return the Z/28 to it's rightful place in the Camaro's lineup - at the top.
Old 10-23-2007 | 06:57 PM
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So, if the Z28 is destined to be top dog, are we expected an overweight fat pig like the GT500, or a corner carver? Obviously corner carver is preferred.
Old 10-23-2007 | 06:58 PM
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I would interpret that as they will return the Z/28 to it's rightful place in the Camaro's lineup - at the top.
I would intepret it as meaning the Z28 being a purpose built handing machine, not necessarily the top car, at least in power.
Old 10-23-2007 | 07:24 PM
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I would intepret it as meaning the Z28 being a purpose built handing machine, not necessarily the top car, at least in power.
I would interpret it as meaning the Camaro in general will be a purpose built handling machine... with a performance V6 for the masses; a 400+hp V8 for the enthusiasts; and a limited production 500+hp supercharged V8 for the few ultra-enthusiasts with deeper pockets.
Old 10-23-2007 | 09:23 PM
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So, if the Z28 is destined to be top dog, are we expected an overweight fat pig like the GT500, or a corner carver? Obviously corner carver is preferred.
Certainly, I hope nothing like the GT500, which I consider to be an overweight curiousity, rather than a car to lust for.

Okay, I'll go into full optimism mode - if all the planets are lined up, perhaps a Z/28 will come in at the current Mustang GT's weight. Perhaps.
Old 10-23-2007 | 09:27 PM
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Lots of folks (including myself) derided the 3920 lbs 500 HP GT500 as being rather underwhelming - mainly due to its weight, and to some extent, due to the live axle (though I prefer that part of it). I wonder what happens if this "super Camaro" has similar power and similar weight?
Old 10-23-2007 | 09:31 PM
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I wonder what happens if this "super Camaro" has similar power and similar weight?
Well, that would suck donkey ballz. Considering that that car would be aimed precisely at my demographic, I for one would reject it completely.
Old 10-23-2007 | 11:05 PM
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Well even at 3900 pounds and at 550 HP your going to have the fastest, best handling and best stopping daily driver Camaro in history. That is nothing to ignore.

The Camaro Is limited but also bless with the Vette just over it in price and power so While it gets some DNA from the Vette it still has to respect its elder.

On the other hand the Shelby has to try to be both pony car ledgend and super car. It does fine as a pony car but compared to the Vette it faills. Even in the latest Hot Rod the Shelby was raced against a 4th Gen TA where it lost.

We all know the new Camaro will surpass anything the 4th gen had in performance and that is already enough to best the present Mustang in most areas.

So even if the car is a little heavy it is the end performance numbers that count. Lets see the skid pad numbers, 1/4 mile, 60-0 and lap times before we start rejecting a car.

Some fat girls know how bust a move on the dance floor too.

Lets see how well John Henrincy can teach this one to dance. He is a hell of a teacher.
Old 10-23-2007 | 11:39 PM
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Well even at 3900 pounds and at 550 HP your going to have the fastest, best handling and best stopping daily driver Camaro in history. That is nothing to ignore.

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No. That would be something to ignore. Next.


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Some fat girls know how bust a move on the dance floor too. Lets see how well John Henrincy can teach this one to dance. He is a hell of a teacher

I don't care how good of a dance teacher Heinricey is, that fat chick on the dance floor will never touch Flo-Jo at track and field. No fat chick can - and that's the point.

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Old 10-24-2007 | 12:54 AM
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Originally Posted by hyperv6
I think with Scotts comments and support of the Z28 as being special to the Camaro has already shown us what to expect. Reread many of his past coments and it is pretty plain were they are going.

If you can understand Scott speak you can learn much in not only what he does say but what he does not say.

I am not going off old marketing here. I have never been one to want to live too much off the past. Same goes at Ford as a Shelby at Ford means Mustang where a GT can even be a Escort. It's just how it works.

Unfortunatly at Chrysler Shelby means too many things.
Interesting he and I shared dinner a few weeks back and "Scott speak" was quite clear. No new info for you but there is quite a bit of speculation out there.
Old 10-24-2007 | 06:46 AM
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Originally Posted by Bob Cosby
Lots of folks (including myself) derided the 3920 lbs 500 HP GT500 as being rather underwhelming - mainly due to its weight, and to some extent, due to the live axle (though I prefer that part of it). I wonder what happens if this "super Camaro" has similar power and similar weight?
No doubt that people will still buy it, but it will be extremely unappealing, to me at least, if it came in at that weight.



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