View Poll Results: Which weight/power combo would you prefer on Camaro?
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Camaro horsepower/weight poll.
#61
Re: Camaro horsepower/weight poll.
Originally Posted by jg95z28
So are you suggesting its now cheaper to manufacture panels and forms out of aluminum, titanium and magnesium than it is to stamp steel? Seriously?
Originally Posted by jg95z28
So now there's such a thing as "free" technology?
You're obviously not an engineer, are you?
You're obviously not an engineer, are you?
Question. Do you want a heavy Camaro?
#62
Re: Camaro horsepower/weight poll.
Understood. But the lighter, cheaper materials being developed will still offset the new features. You showed yourself that curb weights have been more or less static over the last 2 decades.
But to me, the next Camaro does not need to be 400-500 pounds heavier, IRS or not, when the car is physically smaller than the one it replaces
#63
Re: Camaro horsepower/weight poll.
Originally Posted by jg95z28
I will not buy anything with less than 500HP... regardless of the weight.
Besides.. 3,800 lbs is not overly heavy for a modern musclecar designed to meet today's safety standards.
10 years from now when the Camaro weighs 4,500 lbs because of safety regulations you people will be bitching that its too heavy and crying for a lighter 3,800 lb car even though the 4,500 lb version puts out 650 hp. Attention... this is not 1985. Its the 21st century folks and heavier cars are here to stay. Deal with it.
Besides.. 3,800 lbs is not overly heavy for a modern musclecar designed to meet today's safety standards.
10 years from now when the Camaro weighs 4,500 lbs because of safety regulations you people will be bitching that its too heavy and crying for a lighter 3,800 lb car even though the 4,500 lb version puts out 650 hp. Attention... this is not 1985. Its the 21st century folks and heavier cars are here to stay. Deal with it.
A Camaro with all of the modern day safety standards shouldn't weigh more than a 4th gen.
Also with the lighter car I could launch the car harder, maintain faster speeds thru a corner, and stop faster than the heavier car. Even with a 50 hp deficit. It's not just the lbs/hp figure, you have to think of how much extra that car weighs at speed (inertia? it's been a long time since I have been in school. Where's some physics students at?). A heavy car is not gonna cut it and if it ends up weighing 3800 lbs then that'll be a deal breaker for me .
#65
Re: Camaro horsepower/weight poll.
Originally Posted by 95firehawk
Also with the lighter car I could launch the car harder, maintain faster speeds thru a corner, and stop faster than the heavier car. Even with a 50 hp deficit. It's not just the lbs/hp figure, you have to think of how much extra that car weighs at speed (inertia? it's been a long time since I have been in school. Where's some physics students at?). A heavy car is not gonna cut it
How is it that a Honda Civic, with a smaller, less powerful engine, smaller brakes, and smaller, skinnier tires, can post the same or better lap times on a road course than I can with my '02 Z28, with ~350 HP, ~12" rotors, ~10" wide tires??? Oh yeah, CAUSE THEY ONLY WEIGH ~2000 LBS!!!
Ok, I KNOW that EVERYBODY KNOWS that, but at what point do we stop justifying more and more weight with more and more power??
I don't care if 3800 lbs / 500 HP has a better weight/HP ratio than 3500 lbs / 450 HP ..... it's as bunk an argument as Honda guys and their HP/litre . The amount of power to overcome weight and air resitance forces isn't linear. Why does a ~600 HP car not go twice as fast as a ~300 HP car??
#66
Re: Camaro horsepower/weight poll.
Originally Posted by BigDarknFast
Gads, people are still not understanding the point I made on this. We Do Not Yet Know the curb wt, options, materials, performance, nor the actual dimensions of the production 5gen
It's cool, I will wait ( ) and see what happens. Maybe they can pleasantly surprise us. It'd be nice.
#67
Re: Camaro horsepower/weight poll.
Originally Posted by 95firehawk
lso with the lighter car I could launch the car harder, maintain faster speeds thru a corner, and stop faster than the heavier car. Even with a 50 hp deficit. It's not just the lbs/hp figure, you have to think of how much extra that car weighs at speed (inertia? it's been a long time since I have been in school. Where's some physics students at?). A heavy car is not gonna cut it and if it ends up weighing 3800 lbs then that'll be a deal breaker for me .
#68
Re: Camaro horsepower/weight poll.
So far I've gathered from this thread that 3800lbs is the cutoff weight range until the 100 enthusiasts that regularly post or have chimed in may or may not drop out of buying a 5th gen. I'm not so sure the other 100k+ people like me who will buy this car regardless are going to throw the world's biggest fit over it. To be honest I think the car shouldnt weigh anymore than 3400 more ideally 3300lbs. It wont happen. I'm expecting it to come in around 3600lbs which is probably less or about the same as your average LT1/LS1 4th gen. The car will have power, it will be practical, it will be "affordable", it will look like it should, it will (read BETTER) be world class. But then again most people here wont be using it as a daily driver. I want HUD, I want NAV and whatever cool things I can order and the car will weigh quite a bit for a "pony car" but I want to drive a brand new Camaro everywhere, EVERYDAY.
I find it comical that some of you scoff and say "well that doesnt belong in this type of car!" Give me a GOOD reason why modern technological gadgets dont belong in a 2009 Camaro? If you want to complain about those gadgets increasing weight dont bother, thats not a good reason. Go scream about it to your cat. When this car debuts it will be 2009, call me crazy but some people prefer to live in the year 2009 by ordering and driving cars with those options. If you dont want it, dont get it. Go ahead and throw a fit while we drive around in our badass 5th gen Camaros. Besides I'm sure there'll be many plenty happy to dust off 95% of the cars on the road without having to look down at the gauge cluster and deal with being lost on the way to their destination regardless if it weighs 200lbs more than the last 2002 to roll off the line.
By the way I voted 450/3500
I find it comical that some of you scoff and say "well that doesnt belong in this type of car!" Give me a GOOD reason why modern technological gadgets dont belong in a 2009 Camaro? If you want to complain about those gadgets increasing weight dont bother, thats not a good reason. Go scream about it to your cat. When this car debuts it will be 2009, call me crazy but some people prefer to live in the year 2009 by ordering and driving cars with those options. If you dont want it, dont get it. Go ahead and throw a fit while we drive around in our badass 5th gen Camaros. Besides I'm sure there'll be many plenty happy to dust off 95% of the cars on the road without having to look down at the gauge cluster and deal with being lost on the way to their destination regardless if it weighs 200lbs more than the last 2002 to roll off the line.
By the way I voted 450/3500
Last edited by CamaroBoy96Z28; 08-24-2006 at 04:19 PM.
#69
Re: Camaro horsepower/weight poll.
Originally Posted by dream '94 Z28
Didn't someone else make a similar point to this on page 2?
#70
Re: Camaro horsepower/weight poll.
Well we can all see what Fbodfather voted.
It would really suck if, after all the time we spent making fun of the the gt500 and challenger for being pigs, the Camaro came out in the same range of weight.
It would really suck if, after all the time we spent making fun of the the gt500 and challenger for being pigs, the Camaro came out in the same range of weight.
#71
Re: Camaro horsepower/weight poll.
I find it comical that some of you scoff and say "well that doesnt belong in this type of car!" Give me a GOOD reason why modern technological gadgets dont belong in a 2009 Camaro? If you want to complain about those gadgets increasing weight dont bother, thats not a good reason. Go scream about it to your cat. When this car debuts it will be 2009, call me crazy but some people prefer to live in the year 2009 by ordering and driving cars with those options. If you dont want it, dont get it. Go ahead and throw a fit while we drive around in our badass 5th gen Camaros. Besides I'm sure there'll be many plenty happy to dust off 95% of the cars on the road without having to look down at the gauge cluster and deal with being lost on the way to their destination regardless if it weighs 200lbs more than the last 2002 to roll off the line.
#72
Re: Camaro horsepower/weight poll.
[QUOTE=CamaroBoy96Z28
I find it comical that some of you scoff and say "well that doesnt belong in this type of car!" Give me a GOOD reason why modern technological gadgets dont belong in a 2009 Camaro? If you want to complain about those gadgets increasing weight dont bother, thats not a good reason. Go scream about it to your cat. When this car debuts it will be 2009, call me crazy but some people prefer to live in the year 2009 by ordering and driving cars with those options. If you dont want it, dont get it. Go ahead and throw a fit while we drive around in our badass 5th gen Camaros. Besides I'm sure there'll be many plenty happy to dust off 95% of the cars on the road without having to look down at the gauge cluster and deal with being lost on the way to their destination regardless if it weighs 200lbs more than the last 2002 to roll off the line.
By the way I voted 450/3500[/QUOTE]
Yes but the problem is that this is supposed to be a performance orientate car not just another im going to drive it every where do every thing car. if that’s what you want, buy a car appropriate for that use like an impala or a mote Carlo. nothing annoys me more then when people buy a car built for a purpose and then complain about what it does have and doesn’t have. for instance a cobalt is an economy car. why would you complain about how slow it is or how cheep the interior is. the point of the car is good gas millage and low cost for commuting to work. if you want a luxury car with lot of fancy options then you should buy a car built for that. Don’t try and turn the camaro into something its not. sorry im not trying to offend u just convey my opinion i find the camaro to be a performance car for middle class Americas and that’s how it should remain.
I find it comical that some of you scoff and say "well that doesnt belong in this type of car!" Give me a GOOD reason why modern technological gadgets dont belong in a 2009 Camaro? If you want to complain about those gadgets increasing weight dont bother, thats not a good reason. Go scream about it to your cat. When this car debuts it will be 2009, call me crazy but some people prefer to live in the year 2009 by ordering and driving cars with those options. If you dont want it, dont get it. Go ahead and throw a fit while we drive around in our badass 5th gen Camaros. Besides I'm sure there'll be many plenty happy to dust off 95% of the cars on the road without having to look down at the gauge cluster and deal with being lost on the way to their destination regardless if it weighs 200lbs more than the last 2002 to roll off the line.
By the way I voted 450/3500[/QUOTE]
Yes but the problem is that this is supposed to be a performance orientate car not just another im going to drive it every where do every thing car. if that’s what you want, buy a car appropriate for that use like an impala or a mote Carlo. nothing annoys me more then when people buy a car built for a purpose and then complain about what it does have and doesn’t have. for instance a cobalt is an economy car. why would you complain about how slow it is or how cheep the interior is. the point of the car is good gas millage and low cost for commuting to work. if you want a luxury car with lot of fancy options then you should buy a car built for that. Don’t try and turn the camaro into something its not. sorry im not trying to offend u just convey my opinion i find the camaro to be a performance car for middle class Americas and that’s how it should remain.
#73
Re: Camaro horsepower/weight poll.
Originally Posted by GRNcamaro
Yes but the problem is that this is supposed to be a performance orientated car not just another im going to drive it every where do every thing car. if that’s what you want, buy a car appropriate for that use like an impala or a monte Carlo. nothing annoys me more then when people buy a car built for a purpose and then complain about what it does have and doesn’t have. for instance a cobalt is an economy car. why would you complain about how slow it is or how cheep the interior is. the point of the car is good gas millage and low cost for commuting to work. if you want a luxury car with lot of fancy options then you should buy a car built for that. Don’t try and turn the camaro into something its not. sorry im not trying to offend u just convey my opinion i find the camaro to be a performance car for middle class Americas and that’s how it should remain.
PS - Thats the logic that doomed the 4th gen and sealed the F-body's fate the first time.
Last edited by CamaroBoy96Z28; 08-24-2006 at 07:41 PM.
#74
Re: Camaro horsepower/weight poll.
im not apposed to not having H.U.D. or nav though im apposed at it costing the car what its fundamental purpose is a low cost muscle car for a family guy. personally i feel that the camaro should be designated like this a v6 rs and an ss v8 with the idea of options gear toward the luxury end of thing while having a z/28 geared toward performance and give both ss and z/28 two engine options but i don’t see this happening. we don’t even know if there will be more then 2 models. im not gona sit here and speculate on these things nor will i worrie. ill wait till the camaro is on the show room floor to worry about these things.
#75
Re: Camaro horsepower/weight poll.
Originally Posted by CamaroBoy96Z28
So far I've gathered from this thread that 3800lbs is the cutoff weight range until the 100 enthusiasts that regularly post or have chimed in may or may not drop out of buying a 5th gen.
I'm not so sure the other 100k+ people like me who will buy this car regardless are going to throw the world's biggest fit over it.
To be honest I think the car shouldnt weigh anymore than 3400 more ideally 3300lbs. It wont happen. I'm expecting it to come in around 3600lbs which is probably less or about the same as your average LT1/LS1 4th gen.
The car will have power, it will be practical, it will be "affordable", it will look like it should, it will (read BETTER) be world class. But then again most people here wont be using it as a daily driver. I want HUD, I want NAV and whatever cool things I can order and the car will weigh quite a bit for a "pony car" but I want to drive a brand new Camaro everywhere, EVERYDAY.
But I don't care about HUD, NAV, iPODs, etc. Maybe most do.
I find it comical that some of you scoff and say "well that doesnt belong in this type of car!" Give me a GOOD reason why modern technological gadgets dont belong in a 2009 Camaro?
If you want to complain about those gadgets increasing weight dont bother, thats not a good reason.
Go scream about it to your cat.
When this car debuts it will be 2009, call me crazy but some people prefer to live in the year 2009 by ordering and driving cars with those options.
If you dont want it, dont get it.
Go ahead and throw a fit while we drive around in our badass 5th gen Camaros.
Besides I'm sure there'll be many plenty happy to dust off 95% of the cars on the road without having to look down at the gauge cluster and deal with being lost on the way to their destination regardless if it weighs 200lbs more than the last 2002 to roll off the line.
Things that make you go Hmmmmmmm.
By the way I voted 450/3500