No chance. There's no way a normal 67 Camaro beats a top dog 5th gen Camaro, let along the Camaro SS. Furthermore, any modified 67 Camaro that could take the 5th gen in a straight line would suck in the curves and would also suck driving on a daily basis.

While I also love my 67s, I'm planning to buy either a new SS or Z28 and never look back... except perhaps in my rear view mirror to find you, overheating and broken down on the side of the road.

Best of luck to ya!

 

These threads are classic. I know I'm guilty of feeding them by posting but... I wonder if this was the thought process, "OK I saw the new Camaro and I don't like it, so let me find a Camaro webpage to post my complaints on, lets see Cz28.com has a lot of info on this car, looks good. Let me start there. Let me go through the trouble of getting a user name and password set up so my first post can be some big complaint." You're entitiled to your opinion because like buttholes we all have them I just don't see the purpose. It's not like we can do anyhting about your complaints, even if we wanted to.

I dunno congrats on the '67 and sorry the 2010 Camaro didn't live up to your expectations. As soon as the US DOT changes the FMVSS and GM can legally obscure the headlights and give you the RS hidden style look you desire they will get right on that for ya.

 

See I'm worse than you, I see them as "I work for Ford" or "I'm a Mustang fanboy" and "this new Camaro skeerz me, so I'm going to go to Cz28.com and pose as a Camaro enthusiast and say the new Camaro sucks."

 

1967Camaro500H.P....

So what you're saying is you won't buy one then? Okay, thanks for posting.

See-ya!

 

Yea that's very very possible. I was giving the poster the benefit of the doubt because of the '67 Camaro. As you well know some of those owners are cool!

 

While your 1967 may have been a sporty coupe in its time, to me it's past outdated in the looks department. It's a tiny car that has virtually no comfort compared to today's cars and its stock engine would have been shy to compete with a modern V8. And if you take the money you spent on your engine to bring it up to 500hp (and convert it to unleaded haha) and drop it on an LS3, the LS3 would win anything against your cute grocery hauler.

Of course 1st gen Camaros can be made to look good, with lowered suspension ,nice mags and a fresh paint it can have lots of character, but its body lacks muscle, that's my .02$

 

And they still handle like a 40-year old car no matter how much you spend on the suspension.

 

Discounting criticism out of hand is a dangerous thing, as is issuing excuses about why a valid criticism is invalid because nothing else could be done.

Listening to it can provide valuable perspective on how to improve.

Many times we might not like the presentation, or what was said because we may be very highly invested personally or professionally or emotionally in what is being criticised, or it might just be utter nonsense in some cases, but ignoring it completely is very, VERY "not smart".




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I was speaking in generalizations of course and wasn't addressing the o.p. However while yes criticism is valid (actually my job requires criticizing others on a daily basis), a good portion of the criticism on this website is based upon rumor, speculation and bias and does not factor in facts or real world data.

The old saying of the squeaky wheel gets the grease should not be used for design decisions on this Camaro. More than often if someone is happy with something they say nothing. It is only when someone is unhappy that they open their mouths. GM needs to build this Camaro for the multitude of potential buyers, and not for a handful of crackpots that will never be 100% satisfied.

 

I like the overall look of the car, but I am disappointed that it's not similar in length as the past 2-3 generations of Camaros. It looks more like a Mustang (in size) than the long, sleek, Corvette-like/lite look it used to have.

But it's not like I all of a sudden feel this way. I've known how it would look since the concept was shown two years ago. Still, considering most modern cars look crappy to me anyways (compared to older styles), the Camaro looks damn good. I give the overall look and "toughness" an 8/10. I plan on buying a used one about 2-4 years down the road.

 

I humbly submit that you get the most valuable information out of the handful of crackpots that are never 100% satisfied. They're the ones that will quickly point out the things that the people who are easily satisfied initially might miss... until later.

You can almost ALWAYS improve something - sometimes for a cost and weight savings at the same time! In this crazy world of building cars, everyone is under pressure to get things done. Everyone is understaffed and over worked. A fresh, unbiased, visceral reaction can sometimes provide insight that you normally wouldn't have.

Whether there is value proportionate to the cost of eliminating a complaint is the key question, but there's never anything wrong with catalogging the complaints and proposed solutions.

If you never find out what they are, you never find out what you might need to change.




The original poster did bring up and interesting point in one respect...

There might just be a market out there for a hideaway headlight kit as either a dealer add-on or an aftermarket install. I certainly never thought of that before.





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If GM were to adopt that mentality, then the Camaro would never reach production.

Let's see what we got, live with it for a while, and then make suggestions on how to improve it.

If that's not acceptable to some (I suspect less than 1% of all buyers), then so be it.

 

OK.

We'll have to agree to disagree.

I can't ever see any reason to not critically examine what you have done and evalute whether you can or should improve it. Nobody ever said it has to stop the development process.




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Don't confuse cZ28.com with GM.com and we are certainly not the Camaro team. Crackpot sure but what can we do with a complaint on something we have no control over. I can only imagine what a Camaro designed by Cz28.com would look and work like. Safe to say it would probably be subject to a gas guzzler tax.

GM designs and builds Camaros, its their car and w/o them we don't have it, ever. This is also not the first Camaro they have ever done and certainly not their first car so for now I think they get the benefit of the doubt.

Also know that the Camaro team knows more complaints and issues than we do and like a cop they have heard them all before. High curb weight, too retro styled interior, where is the hidden headlights? They have made choices and stuck to one direction for this car. It's not going to be perfect for everyone. But the goal is to make it attactive and as good as it can for the masses.
When was the last time you saw a car and said that's perfect and exactly like what I would have created? How much was it? Was it a vehicle that you can use everyday and in all places. weather included?

The hidden headlights is a beaten and long dead horse. GM can't do it and nor can a dealer. But maybe some aftermarket shop will take on the project. There are other ways to get the same effect. Replace headlight that's currently there and just use several LED's in rows to create a hidden look when it's actually not. Again maybe new to you, but well talked and thought about.

 

To use the brutally effective examples... basically going with the nuclear option in this case:

GM thought the SSR and Aztek were great ideas too.

What got both of them out to the public in the form they were in was an insular, committee-driven decision process that was ineffective at incorporating constructive criticism and honestly evaluating a product.

Is the new Camaro an Aztek or SSR? Far from it!!! I think it has the potential to be a great car!!! Maybe even a classic... But that sure a heck doesn't mean it's perfect as is.




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