Chevrolet Plants Closing? Where will the Camaro be born?
06-03-2008, 12:26 PM
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Chevrolet Plants Closing? Where will the Camaro be born?
I saw in the news today that the Oshawa Plant in Canada is closing, what does that mean for the Camaro.
Are they just closing the Pick-up/SUV sections of those plants or are they completely shutting them down.
If so where will the car be built and what is gonna happen to the Autoworkers.
Are they just closing the Pick-up/SUV sections of those plants or are they completely shutting them down. If so where will the car be built and what is gonna happen to the Autoworkers.
06-03-2008, 12:55 PM
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Which Oshawa plant? There's more than one there.
edit: found a link, it's the truck plant, not the car plant, Camaro is safe
http://money.cnn.com/news/newsfeeds/...1_FORTUNE5.htm
edit: found a link, it's the truck plant, not the car plant, Camaro is safe
http://money.cnn.com/news/newsfeeds/...1_FORTUNE5.htm
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06-03-2008, 02:08 PM
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With regard to the plant closing in Oshawa.
"We are not going to allow this to happen," Hargrove said Tuesday, adding that he is reviewing all options including a strike. "There is no justification for this to happen and we aren't going to take this laying down."
Does this mean a strike could shut down the Camaro plant? I bet it would.
"We are not going to allow this to happen," Hargrove said Tuesday, adding that he is reviewing all options including a strike. "There is no justification for this to happen and we aren't going to take this laying down."
Does this mean a strike could shut down the Camaro plant? I bet it would.
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06-03-2008, 02:28 PM
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Yup, I got an e-mail from my g/f ... her Dad works (worked? 
) at the Oshawa truck plant. Apparently 4 truck plants were on the chopping block, Oshawa being 1 of them. I guess the only options are: attempt to get a transfer into the car plant, take a package, or retire?! 
I can't imagine they'd de-rail the Camaro in the Oshawa car plant at this point in the game? ..... but then again, nobody saw this truck plant closure coming either .
Bummer either way.
) at the Oshawa truck plant. Apparently 4 truck plants were on the chopping block, Oshawa being 1 of them. I guess the only options are: attempt to get a transfer into the car plant, take a package, or retire?! I can't imagine they'd de-rail the Camaro in the Oshawa car plant at this point in the game?
..... but then again, nobody saw this truck plant closure coming either .Bummer either way
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06-03-2008, 02:51 PM
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Camaro is safe. This is a shift away from truck/suv production due to significantly diminished demand.
http://www.freep.com/apps/pbcs.dll/a...ESS01/80603053
http://www.freep.com/apps/pbcs.dll/a...ESS01/80603053
06-03-2008, 04:14 PM
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I saw in the news today that the Oshawa Plant in Canada is closing, what does that mean for the Camaro. Are they just closing the Pick-up/SUV sections of those plants or are they completely shutting them down. If so where will the car be built and what is gonna happen to the Autoworkers.
Are they just closing the Pick-up/SUV sections of those plants or are they completely shutting them down. If so where will the car be built and what is gonna happen to the Autoworkers.The Oshawa car plant also makes the Impala. At over quarter million per year made and sold, and an exclusive right to make the car, you know that plant isn't going to be closing anytime soon.
Keep in mind that at the moment, Canada is the most expensive place in the world to make an automobile. The Canadian dollar is 1 to 1 with the US dollar, and just about all advantages of producing a car in Canada over the US (lower wages, healthcare covered by the government, etc...) has all but disappeared due to the US dollar tanking.
Truck sales are down more or less permanently, and buyers infatuation with big SUVs is apparently over. Given a choice between closing one of 2 plants capable of making the same truck, one in the US and one in Ontario, Ontario had the bigger reason to close.
06-03-2008, 04:25 PM
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it only makes sense that the truck plants will start to close, Who can afford to gas up the trucks righ tnow, I know It cost us $77 to fill up 19 gallons on my truck the other day & that was with gas prices at $4.14 a gallon.
The truck/SUV productions will slow down & the car small compact will pick up.
Stop thinking everytime something happens in GM that they are going to screw with the Camaro project.
The truck/SUV productions will slow down & the car small compact will pick up.
Stop thinking everytime something happens in GM that they are going to screw with the Camaro project.
06-03-2008, 04:35 PM
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Keep in mind that at the moment, Canada is the most expensive place in the world to make an automobile. The Canadian dollar is 1 to 1 with the US dollar, and just about all advantages of producing a car in Canada over the US (lower wages, healthcare covered by the government, etc...) has all but disappeared due to the US dollar tanking.
. Gone are the days when getting a job with GM was considered a GOOD thing! It's really too bad. It's also going to put a real bad hurt on the City of Oshawa, the surrounding area, feeder companies (ie: Lear seating) and probably bankrupt a few people in the process. The real estate market is going to take a kick in the nads (although for anyone NOT affected by the GM situation, there will probably be some pretty good deals to be found ).Don't know when/where/how this hole got dug, but it's pretty deep, and I don't see things turning around anytime soon.
Well, hopefully the Camaro can be a big success, sell lots of units, and hopefully the Impala continues to do well until they decide what to do in terms of replacing/re-modelling it ..... hopefully it can remain in Oshawa in the future?
I'm also curious if/what else may fill the remaining capacity of the car plant. I'm sure there's still more capacity than just the ~250k Impalas and ~100k Camaros?
06-03-2008, 04:49 PM
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06-03-2008, 04:52 PM
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Camaro is safe. This is a shift away from truck/suv production due to significantly diminished demand.
http://www.freep.com/apps/pbcs.dll/a...ESS01/80603053
http://www.freep.com/apps/pbcs.dll/a...ESS01/80603053
I think your missing my point. If they strike to protest the closing of the truck plant then I think the Camaro may become a bargaining chip for the workers in Oshawa.
06-03-2008, 05:09 PM
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GM may take a financial hit for it, but its going to happen regardless of what the CAW thinks.
06-03-2008, 07:24 PM
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This is one fight the CAW is going to lose on, if they win and GM doesn't close the plants then they will be building vehicles that don't sell and GM will lose the NA market and they lose their jobs. If they strike the only profitable stuff GM does make (impala, camaro, etc..) then GM will lose NA sales market and they all lose their jobs anyway.
GM may take a financial hit for it, but its going to happen regardless of what the CAW thinks.
GM may take a financial hit for it, but its going to happen regardless of what the CAW thinks.
06-03-2008, 07:40 PM
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If they do strike, it'll probably wind up in the courts. The CAW already signed a contract with GM.
What will happen is much the same as what happened with Ste Therese. GM will work with them to find another use for the plant both within GM and with another potential buyer. If that doesn't happen, then GM will work to place most of the workers, and that will be pretty much the end of it.
06-03-2008, 07:57 PM
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sselie posted this over on chirpthird after seeing the story on local news this evening
Originally Posted by CTV News
Oshawa plant to get new vehicle
On the same day of the plant closure announcement, CTV News has confirmed GM will bring a new fuel-efficient vehicle into production at the Oshawa flex plant.
The car will be front-wheel drive and production will begin in about three years, at about the same time the plant will stop producing the Chevrolet Impala, CTV Toronto's Paul Bliss reported.
GM Canada vice-president David Paterson confirmed to CTV News the new product is coming to the flex plant.
Without the replacement product, some 1,200 jobs could have been lost, Bliss said.
Meanwhile, Premier Dalton McGuinty said Tuesday the government will try to recoup part of a $175-million loan to General Motors earlier than planned in the wake of the automaker's decision to close plants.
McGuinty said the loss of jobs likely means GM will be in violation of one of the conditions of the loan guarantee.
"Our sense is at this point that they will be, and if so, there are specific provisions under the contract that we will seek to enforce,'' he said.
The province invested $235 million with GM's Beacon project in 2005, $60 million of which went to universities for research and development and the balance to GM for its Oshawa operation.
The agreement included minimum job levels at the truck plant, the premier said.
The government won't be able to determine exactly how much it will expect GM to pay back until 2013, when the long-term contract is completed, officials said.
GM, however, argued it is not in violation of the agreement.
"This announcement alone does not tip us over or violate the covenant,'' said GM vice-president Troy Clarke. "Whatever the fact of the matter is, we will live up to our obligations under the Beacon agreement.''
On the same day of the plant closure announcement, CTV News has confirmed GM will bring a new fuel-efficient vehicle into production at the Oshawa flex plant.
The car will be front-wheel drive and production will begin in about three years, at about the same time the plant will stop producing the Chevrolet Impala, CTV Toronto's Paul Bliss reported.
GM Canada vice-president David Paterson confirmed to CTV News the new product is coming to the flex plant.
Without the replacement product, some 1,200 jobs could have been lost, Bliss said.
Meanwhile, Premier Dalton McGuinty said Tuesday the government will try to recoup part of a $175-million loan to General Motors earlier than planned in the wake of the automaker's decision to close plants.
McGuinty said the loss of jobs likely means GM will be in violation of one of the conditions of the loan guarantee.
"Our sense is at this point that they will be, and if so, there are specific provisions under the contract that we will seek to enforce,'' he said.
The province invested $235 million with GM's Beacon project in 2005, $60 million of which went to universities for research and development and the balance to GM for its Oshawa operation.
The agreement included minimum job levels at the truck plant, the premier said.
The government won't be able to determine exactly how much it will expect GM to pay back until 2013, when the long-term contract is completed, officials said.
GM, however, argued it is not in violation of the agreement.
"This announcement alone does not tip us over or violate the covenant,'' said GM vice-president Troy Clarke. "Whatever the fact of the matter is, we will live up to our obligations under the Beacon agreement.''
06-05-2008, 11:28 PM
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Doesn't quite work that way.
If they do strike, it'll probably wind up in the courts. The CAW already signed a contract with GM.
What will happen is much the same as what happened with Ste Therese. GM will work with them to find another use for the plant both within GM and with another potential buyer. If that doesn't happen, then GM will work to place most of the workers, and that will be pretty much the end of it.
If they do strike, it'll probably wind up in the courts. The CAW already signed a contract with GM.
What will happen is much the same as what happened with Ste Therese. GM will work with them to find another use for the plant both within GM and with another potential buyer. If that doesn't happen, then GM will work to place most of the workers, and that will be pretty much the end of it.