You're an idiot.

Aside from the fact that you havent driven both cars, you dont know what you're talking about anyway. I would LOVE to see any bone stock LS1 pull a 12 second quarter. That is pure bull****, if someone says that did it, they are lying....and im sure a dumbass like you would probably believe them. Let me guess, you got that off the internet didnt you....

Well here is how it goes in the real world. the 350Z is a fast car, im not saying it will spank an LS1, but it WILL keep up with it.

And dont even get me started on the new BMW coupes. The 300 hp Twin Turbo 335 will run with an LS1 all day, and the new 420 hp V8 M3 that is about to debut will probably whip the **** of out the Z/28(and i mean the new Z/28) Not to mention, BMW's handle WAAAAAAAAAAAY better than Camaro's do...as they should since they are about 20K more.

But all im saying is dont make stupid comments and make yourself sound like a drunk nascar watching hick when you dont even know what you are talking about.

I dont know everything either, but i keep my comments to myself.

 

I agree. The real question is what car can drift the best?

Im only joking guys.... dont start yelling and screaming at me...

 

the reason why most people compare 1/4 mile times is because that is the camaro's forte. the 350z is more of a gt car and therefore handling is not its biggest attribute. besides, the car cost much more than a z28 when new, and 1/4 mile times become very relevant. now, i am a handling guy myself, but you cant say not to horsepower

 

I read just about every article ever published on the Z/28 between 1999 and about 2002 and I’ve never seen anyone claim low 13’s for a stock Z/28.

A tany rate, "ow the heck I can compare" them is precisely that I’ve owned both cars and competed in both. Putting aside for the moment that the SCCA puts the F-body and the 350Z in different classes I can tell you form many dozens of Solo2 runs that a 350Z will eat a Z/28’s lunch all day long given the same driver/same driver competence…the Z/28 has more raw power but it’s also heavier and the Z is far more balanced and composed when it’s being thrashed around an autocross course the a Z/28.

Here are details from sources other than what I quoted before…as I said, we can argue tenth’s of a second here and a mile-per-hour all night long but by any objective measure the Z’s performance is on par and in some categories, better than the Z/28. Obviously, the SS’s better HP/TQ gives it a measurable edge (except in the slalom).

I understand some people aren't going to like the Z just because it's not a GM product and those people will never care about the numbers regardless of where they come from.

HP/TQ
350Z 287/274@4,800
Z/28 305/335@4,000
SS 325/350@4,000

Curb Wt
350Z 3225
Z/28 3574
SS 3411

0-60
350Z 5.7
Z/28 No Info
SS 5.2


1/4 Mile
350Z 14.0 @ 101.9
Z/28 14.0 @ 101.3
SS 13.49 @ 107.3

300' Sk Pd 600' Slalom
350Z 0.86 66.4
Z/28 0.83 65.7
SS 0.88 63.0

http://www.supercarx.com/articles/sp...icle_specs.htm

http://www.motortrend.com/roadtests/...ecs_price.html

http://www.gminsidenews.com/forums/s...ad.php?t=19594

 

Actually, while you can certainly pay more if you want, the base Z today starts aroung $26K (the most expensive is $35K) and I think it was at around $22/$23K for the 2003 model...my 2000 Z/28 listed for about $26K and I believe they were hitting $30K by 2002. In other words, not that much difference in price if optioned out about the same.

 

That's what I'm talking about!

 

I honestly think the Nissan Skyline GTR will be the Camaro's/Mustang's biggest rival (if its ever impoted in the US). I know how most guys here do not like import cars but you gotta give credit where its due. That car rocks. American car companies have to start realizing that power alone is not enough. Besides, the Challenger is so much bigger (size and engine), it doesn't look like a sports car anymore.

 

Hopefully Lear Jet and Boeing will be considered the competition.

 

My last 2002 Z/28 was $23,500 it ran a 13.33 @ 104 and change with about 2k on the clock It weighed in at a hefty 3355 with a 1/4 tank. It was fully loaded rolling on Eagle GSC's. You can quote mags all day but its not the real world.
350Z's are sweet cars. But I laugh because the only way to defend their higher cost with less performance is to quote magazines. Real cars don't need a bias magazine writer to prove they are worth the bolts they are built with.

 

Only if you go in a straight line, try cornering. Performance does not only mean power and speed. Handling is also a big part of the equation, and that is why the Z costs more.

 

G.M and Chevrolet need to "WAKE UP" !!!

The competition is not Just with Ford and the Mustang.
As it has been for the last 20 or so years the real competition is with the
IMPORTS!!! Therefore, by competing with the import market, G.M. will leave Ford in the dark.
The 5th Gen needs to compete with these and better exceed.
The 5th Gen will haul ***, but what I want is a well rounded car that runs strong AND will handle itself in the curves too.

We all know the 5th Gen;

Got the Looks
Got the Power

The real question: Will it handle???

 

Where did your price come from??? The base MSRP for the 2002 Z/28 coupe was $22,700…when you say the car was “loaded” are you referring to its options or simply that it wasn’t stripped for drag racing? At any rate, I don’t get your point – the Z’s MSRP was right around $22/$23K for the 2003 model so it’s right there with the Z/28 in terms of price which is all I’ve been saying. Some people think that going in a straight line for 1/4 mile is neither the only nor the most important measure of a car’s performance.

I’m sorry but I just don’t buy into the belief system (which, for some reason, tends to get raised only when the publication says something someone here doesn’t agree with) that every automotive publication and every automotive journalist is part of some grand conspiracy to attack and diminish anything domestic.

There is bias in everything and while you may well find bias in what is clearly opinion about a particular vehicle, much of the testing data displayed in publications are from independent testing firms with no particular axe to grind and/or provided by the manufacturer itself (so I guess if GM says the curb weight of the Z28 is X pounds many here wouldn’t believe that either if it shows up in a magazine!). While people may disagree with the specific results they serve as a means to compare vehicles with some degree of consistency and are a significantly better measure than what someone remembers.

All that is missing the point anyway, the point being that the Z can hang with the Z/28 and is in the same price point but that for a number of reasons, I don’t consider them going after the same market and, therefore, aren’t competition for each other.

 

The bias against GM can be very subtle at times, and sometimes not so subtle, some folks just will never see it, or understand why it exists. So they deny it exists. We can try to convince them, but they'll never see it. All I know is for me, Lutz confirmed it, with his press conference about the la slimes. However it runs much deeper than that IMO.

 

When it comes to the automotive press, there is no question that every writer/reporter/journalist in the world has a “bias” but to assume that all of them have it in for GM (or domestics in general) is just not a position that I’ve ever seen supported by anything other than opinion nor does the assertion make any sense.

What’s more likely to be true; 1)that thousands of journalists and hundreds of publications all hate GM/domestics and are in a conspiracy to purposely misstate testing results/statistics to make GM/domestic products look bad compared to imports or 2)that most publications/journalists try to conduct testing in a fair and consistent manner and honestly report the results? I would say that item 1 is the far more unlikely position and, therefore, demands some very convincing evidence to support it.

Attacking the messenger when one doesn’t like the message is the oldest and least honest method in the book to argue a point. What’s even more absurd is that many who cite “bias” in the automotive press will turn around and cite the exact same sources if they claim that the Camaro SS will beat a Cobra Mustang in the ¼ mile or that the ZO6 will outperform a 911 Turbo…in other words, they don’t have a problem with the “rags” so long as the rags say something they agree with.

Testing results aren't the be all and end all of a comparison of vehicles but to dismiss them out of hand is just not a reasonable position to take.

 

Well stated.