What part of I got mine at MSRP EASILY, and so did a bunch of others here, don't you get?

 

True, but averages don't tell the whole story. What's happened is that incomes on the lower-end are down, while incomes on the higher end are up.

This I think is why luxury cars have been doing so well, while more blue-collar brands have been in decline. It also might explain the increase in price of the 'base V8' model -- perhaps Chevy feels there's more purchasing power at the upper end of the market.

 

there are a lot of people who are able to get MSRP. no one should pay over that

 

Perhaps you are right, but I think we both can agree that the Camaro has always been a blue-collar product. Frankly I have not seen, nor do I expect to see, the Camaro at any price or any quality winning over higher end purchasers.

Again, I think it is a mistake to price the Camaro over the Mustang regardless of perceived "bang for the buck" performance the Camaro offers.

 

Agreed that the Camaro is a blue collar car, and so it should have carried blue collar pricing. GM should be willing to forgo a large profit on this car in order to get the sales they want. This car's price should have been determined by real wages of these blue collar workers and the current state of the economy rather than where the last Camaro ended up, or where the competition is priced at, or what equipment a buyer gets at a particular price point.

And to be clear, I've never said $25-27 for a V-8 car. I think $30-33K for a fully loaded 2SS coupe is fair and $35-38K for a fully loaded 2SS vert is fair.

 

The Camaro is a no go for me, I just cut a deal for a brand new 08 corvett for 38K.

 

Its a beauty, don't get me wrong. But the price on the V8 side is a bit pushing the "corvette" range, and its just outside the Mustang range.

And sure, economy, economy, blah blah, the reason it hasn't effected any of the camaro owners (like us) is becuse noone today ows payments on a camaro. So we all have money for upgrades.

I think the car is awesome...but I love having money for upgrades...It will be hard to see what I choose to do.


JW

 

I went to a local Chevy dealer last night and was told that they don't have the ability to order the Camaro with options yet in Canada. They also don't have a price breakdown on anything and have told me that pricing information hasn't been released anywhere yet.

He did say that they've got deposits on 40 of them so far, and that I shouldn't expect to have one available to me for at least 6 months after production starts. He also told me to expect the 2SS model to be at least $50,000.

So......

I'll be going to a different dealer to order mine when I order it.

 

I would love to see where you got this....

 

I just don't think that's possible - A younger blue collar worker probably has trouble buying a Cobolt much less anything fancier. Even the UAW has agreed to lower two-tier wages. Just the way things are going.

However there is a market for things like $35K pickup trucks, so there are people with money and more "blue collar" tastes. I think GM also wants to make the Camaro an aspirational car for baby boomers and even "Gen Y" and others who might not have been traditional Camaro buyers.

I will agree that pricing it above the Mustang is a risky strategy. But so far the marketing and hype for the Camaro has been off the charts so they might be able to pull it off.

 

I see your point that the SS is more car than a Challenger R/T. I was trying to point out that a Base V8 Challenger is right on par with pricing as a base V8 Camaro. But, you do get much more content (and HP) with the V8 Camaro.

 

and a lil less weight

 

Yeah I'm prolly gonna look for a nice used Z06. Prices are ok I'm not doing cartwheels over them. Funny I have the dealer and slp window stickers and they add up 300 dollar under 40 thousand dollars. I got it used so I don't know if the guy paid sticker but I can tell ya I wouldn't of even thou I love the car.

 

And that's why we're in the shape that we're in. These blue collar workers had no business buying those $35K trucks.

Just because people with "blue collar tastes" exist, what does that have to do with people who are truly blue collar?

 

35k is about the going rate for your average middle of the road transportation.

What a sad comment about blue collar incomes in the US.