COMPLETE 2010 Camaro Pricing - with OPTIONS!
10-13-2008 | 01:11 PM
#121
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3750 for the V6, 3900 for the V8. Actual weights will vary depending on options, of course.
I could be wrong, but it looks to me like GM killed it before it even hit the street. All I have wanted for as long as I can remember is a brand new Camaro with a v8 and no options(get into it for a good price and haul some ***), but it looks like they have gone the same route as the 4th gen(which if you don't remember killed the platform)and only offer fully loaded over priced cars. I have had 2 v8 4th gen cars and yeah they ran good but the quality is horrible. From looking at new GM products it looks like the quality hasn't gone up any, but the price sure has.
You guys can say what you want about the new Mustangs being dated, but I see them on the street and at the track, and for the money the camaro doesn't stand a chance in sales.
Lets face it Camaro's have never held their value, and to get a v8 model you are looking at spending $35k+ on a car that is going to lose a lot of value before you even pay it off.
And that's if GM can stay open until the release date lol.
You guys can say what you want about the new Mustangs being dated, but I see them on the street and at the track, and for the money the camaro doesn't stand a chance in sales.
Lets face it Camaro's have never held their value, and to get a v8 model you are looking at spending $35k+ on a car that is going to lose a lot of value before you even pay it off.
And that's if GM can stay open until the release date lol.
I'm sad to hear that Camaro isn't what you wanted it to be, but you're in the minority.
Camaro vs. Mustang has always been an apples-to-oranges comparison. What's your point?
10-13-2008 | 01:13 PM
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Camaro v Mustang
The DOHC V6 Camaro is priced with the 300HP V8 Mustang GT.
When the new 400HP Mustang comes out (if it does), it will cost more and I am sure the V8 Camaro will be price-competitive, and it will have a superior suspension, more power and Brembo brakes.
And gas prices are coming down.
The Camaro is priced right. As soon as this economy comes back to normal, you will not see new Corvettes anywhere near the price of the V8 Camaro. It will be about 50K to about 38K. And Camaros will deliver near-Vette perf, but for their extra weight. A Mustang just won't.
And I do not think GM is going anywhere. I bought some stock in them today at about 6.00 per share.
When the new 400HP Mustang comes out (if it does), it will cost more and I am sure the V8 Camaro will be price-competitive, and it will have a superior suspension, more power and Brembo brakes.
And gas prices are coming down.
The Camaro is priced right. As soon as this economy comes back to normal, you will not see new Corvettes anywhere near the price of the V8 Camaro. It will be about 50K to about 38K. And Camaros will deliver near-Vette perf, but for their extra weight. A Mustang just won't.
And I do not think GM is going anywhere. I bought some stock in them today at about 6.00 per share.
10-13-2008 | 01:21 PM
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10-13-2008 | 02:03 PM
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A leftover 2008 Vette coupe for $8000 under sticker is looking pretty good now. 430hp, 3200 pounds, better aerodynamics, faster, better gas mileage, and a standard removeable targa roof panel. You could also have one in your driveway tonight.
10-13-2008 | 02:06 PM
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10-13-2008 | 02:07 PM
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10-13-2008 | 02:12 PM
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You're welcome to your opinions, but your predictions for the future overall are way off base. GM isn't closing their doors any time soon. They just announced in the news that they aren't even considering filing for bankruptcy anymore. Their stock is up 30+% just today, and tons of people have already ordered their new Camaros, even though that's only been possible for a few hours.
Stock price has little or nothing to do with whether they go under or not. Its nothing but a confidence measure. Sometimes its a good indicator of the health of a company, sometimes its not because even the wisdom of a crowd can be wrong.
I know they say they're not considering bankruptcy, but they HAVE to say that. If they come out and say "hey the company is going down the tubes" the stock price will collapse to near $0. Even given that, GM may not have a choice, creditors can FORCE them into Chapter 11 bankruptcy under the right conditions.
The latest numbers I saw had GM with $20 billion in cash on hand, burning about $1 billion a month and last I heard they need approx $11 billion in cash per month just to continue operations. They're not currently making any money, they're debt rating has been junk status since 2005, and they've already got $43 billion in debt, which is going to make it damn near impossible for them to borrow any more money to cover operating expenses the credit markets being what they are. Companies like caterpillar, which have debt ratings just under the federal gov't are having trouble borrowing money, what do you think that does to companies with junk ratings.
That being said, don't think GM would go away just because of the bankruptcy. The creditors would own GM and the stockholders wiped out but GM would probably come out in a much better position because Ch 11 renegotiates and/or cancels debt and a lot of contracts, including the huge albatross around GMs neck that is the UAW contract.
Bottom line is, GM has to break even and has to do it now. The numbers don't lie, if they don't, there's a high probability they'll be in Chapter 11 bankruptcy court right after the first Camaros come off the line. But don't worry about the Camaro even if they do. GM will in all likelihood keep operating and keep cars rolling off the line...
And since I never answered in my first post I'll take a manual 2SS/RS in red jewel.
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10-13-2008 | 02:27 PM
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I fail to see your point here. Unless you are referring to my "turbo Camaro" then you missed my point in regards to a previous quote.
My point is that when comparing the current Mustang to the current Camaro it's not a true (or even fair) assesment of the two cars. GM has had 4 years to see what the Mustang has to offer and used that information (along with many other sources) to build a car that is better than the Mustang. In 2011 when the new Mustang comes out Ford will have had a couple of years to see what the Camaro has to offer and "should" come out with something equal to if not better. They have always played Leapfrog with each other. So it should be no suprise that 1) The Camaro is a far superior car to the current Mustang and 2) both cars will continue to be priced appropriately for the content they carry. Right now you can pay a premium for a car that outclasses its competitor or you can play the waiting game and see IF the new Mustang will be better than or equal to the Camaro for less money. My gut feeling is that when the next gen Mustang comes out it will cost less but it will dramatically close the price gap between the two while offering less content.
My point is that when comparing the current Mustang to the current Camaro it's not a true (or even fair) assesment of the two cars. GM has had 4 years to see what the Mustang has to offer and used that information (along with many other sources) to build a car that is better than the Mustang. In 2011 when the new Mustang comes out Ford will have had a couple of years to see what the Camaro has to offer and "should" come out with something equal to if not better. They have always played Leapfrog with each other. So it should be no suprise that 1) The Camaro is a far superior car to the current Mustang and 2) both cars will continue to be priced appropriately for the content they carry. Right now you can pay a premium for a car that outclasses its competitor or you can play the waiting game and see IF the new Mustang will be better than or equal to the Camaro for less money. My gut feeling is that when the next gen Mustang comes out it will cost less but it will dramatically close the price gap between the two while offering less content.
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10-13-2008 | 03:07 PM
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You know what, I was in the same spot as some of the people here. To be honest when people saw me at school today, they saw I was down (more like disheartened) and my friends would ask me why I was like that. I told them it was because of a car's price and they started laughing at me. LOL. I mean, all I wanted was an 1LT auto with RS and Connections and Connectivity package for around 25-26K. Now looking at the prices, I knew I could buy anything like that. Then while I was sitting, I asked myself, why not just buy a basic car and modify it yourself. As I looked to the pricing, I felt confident about what I wanted in my purchase. Dont get me wrong, I am still angry at the prices, but for me is that if I dont get this car, it will really hurt my image among my friends as a "Camaro Guy" and also, I am in love with this car. So I decided the following:
1) Buy an LT1 with auto, Connections and Connectivity Package, and interior trim package(If someone could let me know what it consists of) . Who knows, If I am allowed by my parents, I may not even take the Auto and stick with a manual. Keep in mind I wont get the RS package (Trust me, saying this is painful)
2) 2nd, I will pay close attention to SEMA and look at the cool looking third party customized camaros and make purchases that will add personal styling to the car. That way I save money and make it look nice and clean. My hopes have risen hire by writing this. Hey, if theres a will, theres a way.
1) Buy an LT1 with auto, Connections and Connectivity Package, and interior trim package(If someone could let me know what it consists of) . Who knows, If I am allowed by my parents, I may not even take the Auto and stick with a manual. Keep in mind I wont get the RS package (Trust me, saying this is painful)
2) 2nd, I will pay close attention to SEMA and look at the cool looking third party customized camaros and make purchases that will add personal styling to the car. That way I save money and make it look nice and clean. My hopes have risen hire by writing this. Hey, if theres a will, theres a way.
10-13-2008 | 03:09 PM
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I have a hard time spending 31K for a base 1SS then adding on another 5K for a convertible option. Plus another $665 for an automatic. When all is said and done it with taxes and license it will be damn near 40k if not over. My wife and I have a combined income north of 140K a year. No bills except for a mortgage and normal house bills. To pay that much for a car that will only be driven May through early October here in Minnesota is just nuts. I just did the financing with 25k down and financing 15K over 5 years my payment is $371. I am not going to go with the V6 as I have always wanted a new V8 Camaro. I had a 68Z and a 69SS. I want this car to evoke those fun times and not break the bank. It appears as though Chevrolet has screwed the pooch again. Fool me once shame on you, fool me twice shame on me.
