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Old 07-11-2007 | 08:49 AM
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Are people expecting to much from the new camaro?

I read a lot of what people are saying they want in the new Camaro. When i think of a Camaro i think of a cheap performance car something affordable to the masses. I think part of what killed the Camaros the first time around was that it strayed to far from that idea maybe im wrong. I feel the priced the Camaro right out of the hand of people who would buy them and instead people turned to cheaper imports and moded them again maybe im wrong.

But now you hear people go i want heated air condition seats, hud, nav and a host of other really high end features. They want the interiors to mimic that of the vett, gto and host of other cars. One of the things that i love about the new camaro concept is how different it is from every other gm product in looks exterior and interior.

To me it seems more like people want to buy the Camaro name then that they real what a camaro and what a camaro really is. At least how i see a Camaro which as a Affordable high performance car with a simple design.

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Old 07-11-2007 | 09:59 AM
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The funny thing is that now-a-days its cheaper to integrate all of the cool stuff into ALL camaros (like power everything and all the stuff you mentioned above) than it is to have "stripper" models. Costs are now shared with other vehicles and even across the globe. If buying a new camaro means I get all of that stuff as a package deal, then cool. But what I really want.... that 400 horse v8 six gears and a clutch! Everything else is just a bonus.

Don't forget, a lot of chicks will be buying these cars and a lot of people will be buying them as their everyday commuter (think high volume V-6 sales.)

Camaro isn't straying from it's heritage, just becoming modernized in a cut throat market!
Old 07-11-2007 | 10:10 AM
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do people really want a new camaro?
Yes.
Old 07-11-2007 | 10:29 AM
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The funny thing is that now-a-days its cheaper to integrate all of the cool stuff into ALL camaros (like power everything and all the stuff you mentioned above) than it is to have "stripper" models. Costs are now shared with other vehicles and even across the globe. If buying a new camaro means I get all of that stuff as a package deal, then cool. But what I really want.... that 400 horse v8 six gears and a clutch! Everything else is just a bonus.

Don't forget, a lot of chicks will be buying these cars and a lot of people will be buying them as their everyday commuter (think high volume V-6 sales.)

Camaro isn't straying from it's heritage, just becoming modernized in a cut throat market!
although yes the options like power windows and door locks and air conditions isn't worth making an option even becuase most people would buy it any way. but stuff like like hud and air condition seats most people would still buy the car with out and who knows how many people would opt to get that stuff but i would say towards the lesser side and it would still drive the price of the car up.

the camaro died off because it obviously did sale good and why was that. most people would buy a camaro regardless of frivolous luxury items. Whats the point of selling a handful of extra option cars to some old guys or would it be a better idea to make a cheaper selling car and draw in a new crowd of young camaro and Chevy people?

i can walk in a chevy dealer and for the most part most of the cars look the same the interiors look the same that boring and thats why chevy doesn't sell cars. they need to make there cars diffrent from one another this way if you dont like the general look or feel of a car you could look at a different car there selling.
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Yes.
its not do they want the new camaro is it the name they want to buy and not actually what a camaro is.

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Old 07-11-2007 | 11:12 AM
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Camaro has never been a cheap stripper performance car... ever. Back in the day the Camaro SS was a performer, but it also came with AC, power windows, tilt-steering, and other features that while seem miniscule today were cutting edge circa 1967 and very comparible to day's HUD, NAV and other creature comforts that are standard on almost ever car that is in Camaros price range.

It sounds like you want a cheap performance car without all the bells and whistles. That my friend is not a Camaro, nor has it ever been that. (Except for maybe the original Z/28s.) Why don't you slap a turbo on that Cobalt of yours and let the rest of us have the Camaro we all want.
Old 07-11-2007 | 11:27 AM
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I think age range has a little to do with this as well, though alot of us may have got our first Camaro in our late teens or earily 20s we've unfortunatly growen older. The people who know the Camaro, want the V8's and can pay for it are not 16 year old kids and desire some degree of comfort and refinement. This car was never meant to compete with the import tuner crowd in price or appeal, otherwise they would offer a 4 cylinder.
Old 07-11-2007 | 11:30 AM
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Originally Posted by jg95z28
Camaro has never been a cheap stripper performance car... ever. Back in the day the Camaro SS was a performer, but it also came with AC, power windows, tilt-steering, and other features that while seem miniscule today were cutting edge circa 1967 and very comparible to day's HUD, NAV and other creature comforts that are standard on almost ever car that is in Camaros price range.

It sounds like you want a cheap performance car without all the bells and whistles. That my friend is not a Camaro, nor has it ever been that. (Except for maybe the original Z/28s.) Why don't you slap a turbo on that Cobalt of yours and let the rest of us have the Camaro we all want.
A little rough wouldn't you say, I guess my 1SC wasn't a Camaro then? If you want all the bells and whistles Chevy already makes a car for you and it isn't the Camaro, hint, Corvette. Camaro hasn't ever been the cutting edge technology vehicle you are describing.
Old 07-11-2007 | 12:01 PM
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When the Camaro debuted in '66 it had one of the longest option lists offered on any car. What about the RS package that was all looks and features and no performance upgrades?
What the Camaro has always been is a car that covered a lot of bases. It could be ordered as a cheap v6 grocery getter, pure race car, or even a high optioned cruiser. But all those had cool looks and good performance in common.
If you want a pure performance Camaro, maybe there will be a 1LE option in a couple years.
Old 07-11-2007 | 12:02 PM
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I would rather have a stripper model with huge power and a good drive train.....


To me the camaro is all performance. If I wanted the bells and whistles I would drive something more comfortable and bigger(a truck).

Adding all this extra stuff is a real turndown for someone like me...I just want a performer, i'm sure it will perform o.k. but how much of this extra stuff is going to break, or cause other unwanted headaches? Just adds things that are not needed to me.......so I won't get one, I'm not the only one that feels that way.
Old 07-11-2007 | 12:03 PM
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Originally Posted by STOCK1SC
A little rough wouldn't you say, I guess my 1SC wasn't a Camaro then? If you want all the bells and whistles Chevy already makes a car for you and it isn't the Camaro, hint, Corvette. Camaro hasn't ever been the cutting edge technology vehicle you are describing.
I disagree with you here. There are a few exceptions to Camaro's being offered as a stripper, but most were not offered this way and the demand for this type of vehicle is very slim. It would be very smart for GM to add these as options and make more money off the car and appeal to more people. Nice options have always been available. Like my 12 disc CD changer and traction control in my 02.

Corvette is cutting edge is every aspect of that car, but it is not a for the masses car. The Camaro is.
Old 07-11-2007 | 12:04 PM
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If you want a pure performance Camaro, maybe there will be a 1LE option in a couple years.
This is what i'm looking for........But how stripped will it be? My 97 1LE has AC and a CD changer
Old 07-11-2007 | 12:26 PM
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Originally Posted by Plague
I disagree with you here. There are a few exceptions to Camaro's being offered as a stripper, but most were not offered this way and the demand for this type of vehicle is very slim. It would be very smart for GM to add these as options and make more money off the car and appeal to more people. Nice options have always been available. Like my 12 disc CD changer and traction control in my 02.

Corvette is cutting edge is every aspect of that car, but it is not a for the masses car. The Camaro is.
I don't think too many people consider a 12 disc changer and TC that great of an option. Hell even cheap cars had multiple cd indash receivers (that you don't have to get out of the car to change) and traction control as options.
Old 07-11-2007 | 01:03 PM
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Price was not the issue. You could get a stripped down 2002 Z28 or Formula in the low 20s. It wasnt performance either. Heck, the early 4th gen V6s were as fast as the Mustang GTs back in those days.

It was the low seating position, long hood, heavy doors, etc.... items that especially were driving away women buyers... that really hurt the sales numbers.
Old 07-11-2007 | 02:41 PM
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Price was not the issue. You could get a stripped down 2002 Z28 or Formula in the low 20s. It wasnt performance either. Heck, the early 4th gen V6s were as fast as the Mustang GTs back in those days.

It was the low seating position, long hood, heavy doors, etc.... items that especially were driving away women buyers... that really hurt the sales numbers.
That and basically not changing the car for 10 years. Hopefully GM has learned the market won't tolerate sticker and badge touch ups anymore, you have to really update the vehicle every 4-5 years now. And no more humps in the passenger side footwell which basically showed how much chevy really cared to invest when it wasn't even needed anymore with the LS1.
Old 07-11-2007 | 03:30 PM
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That and basically not changing the car for 10 years. Hopefully GM has learned the market won't tolerate sticker and badge touch ups anymore, you have to really update the vehicle every 4-5 years now. And no more humps in the passenger side footwell which basically showed how much chevy really cared to invest when it wasn't even needed anymore with the LS1.
thats a long story.... FCar was initially "killed" around 1995. Redoing the floor pan would have meant recertifing the platform in crash tests and GM was not going to spend that kind of money on a car destined to be decomissioned.

Most of the newer content was all trickle down from Corvette. The traction control system came off the C4s, and obviously the drivetrain came from C5.

If it werent for SLP breathing some life into the car with the WS6 and SS packages, the hiatus would have started before 2000.

but safe to say, those issues have been addressed in the 5th gen.

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