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Old 09-02-2010 | 05:42 PM
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There was proposal supported by Bob Lutz, to have a lower end Camaro V8 model. It would have had V6 trim and the G8's 361 hp L76 6.0L. It would have been priced somewhere between the base V6 and SS.

Why was it killed?

Fear that it would eat away at the higher profit SS sales.
Hmm. A low option V8 model for $25,000ish. Probably would have sold by the boatload.
Old 09-02-2010 | 08:55 PM
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50k for a Camaro....thats comical
Is 50k for a Mustang comical? The current GT500 is getting rave reviews, and nobody seems to think it's not worth the price.
Old 09-02-2010 | 09:14 PM
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Hmm. A low option V8 model for $25,000ish. Probably would have sold by the boatload.
I don't know about $25-ish. Maybe $27-ish.
Old 09-03-2010 | 07:55 AM
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Is 50k for a Mustang comical? The current GT500 is getting rave reviews, and nobody seems to think it's not worth the price.
exactly. if chevy sees that the mustang is selling as great as it is and its a 50k car, why wouldnt the z28 be in the same price range and make more profit than it would if they marked it down to 40's and barely made money? i think 50 k is a fair price forthis car. the cts-v coupe is in the 65 range. i think its a hell of a deal if its 50. anything under and thats even more of a deal.
Old 09-03-2010 | 11:32 AM
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I don't know about $25-ish. Maybe $27-ish.
I won't pretend to have any inside knowledge on this but here a couple of points that occur to me-

1. The L76 is no less expensive to produce than an L99/LS3. I don't really know what "v6 trim" means. The 1LT=1SS and 2LT=2SS currently. Are you suggesting they were talking about V8 with LS trim? There really is no place for savings unless you want to just suck out pure gross profit.

2. Some of us spend a fair amount of time lamenting the sales mix between the 6cyl and SS. If there were a "cheap" V8 option, what do we think that would do to V6 sales? And by extension what would that do to our 4 favorite little letters C-A-F-E? I'd be willing to bet this had much more do with it than eating in to profitable SS sales. Although I will say, if you can sell a product for more, why would you want to sell it for less? GM has already stated that they priced the SS so much higher than the V6 in order to drive sales toward the V6.
Old 09-03-2010 | 12:54 PM
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Techincally there already is a cheap V8... its called the SS. Except that GM jacked up the MSRP to try to sell more V6 Camaros. I wonder how many more V8 Camaros would have been sold if they had priced them with a similar profit margin as the V6s.
Old 09-03-2010 | 01:09 PM
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even a fully loaded ss is a great deal. 35k? i cant think of any car for that price, with the pressence, and with the power. for gods sake its still the same price range as it was 8 years ago when they stopped making them.
Old 09-03-2010 | 02:07 PM
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even a fully loaded ss is a great deal. 35k? i cant think of any car for that price, with the pressence, and with the power. for gods sake its still the same price range as it was 8 years ago when they stopped making them.
When people sneer at the price of a 2010 Camaro, I try to remind them of this.

The 2010 Camaro SS with all its features would have been 40k+ in 2002, and that is 2002 dollars.
Old 09-03-2010 | 02:55 PM
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exactly. the ss is a great deal, no matter what package you get with it. only other comparable car for the price is the mustang and the rt challenger.and honestly the challenger isnt nearly as good as the mustang or camaro. nissan 370z is even more expensive and not nearly as good on the track.
Old 09-03-2010 | 03:31 PM
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Originally Posted by SSCamaro99_3
Hmm. A low option V8 model for $25,000ish. Probably would have sold by the boatload.
In case you haven't noticed, the high-option V8 for $35,000ish is selling by the boatload.
Old 09-03-2010 | 03:33 PM
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how does the gt500 do it then?
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Is 50k for a Mustang comical? The current GT500 is getting rave reviews, and nobody seems to think it's not worth the price.
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exactly. if chevy sees that the mustang is selling as great as it is and its a 50k car, why wouldnt the z28 be in the same price range and make more profit than it would if they marked it down to 40's and barely made money? i think 50 k is a fair price forthis car. the cts-v coupe is in the 65 range. i think its a hell of a deal if its 50. anything under and thats even more of a deal.
there isn't a 50k Ford GT sitting next to any Mustang in showrooms...yes i know, base C6 vs GT but my point is theres nothing looming over the GT500's head



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even a fully loaded ss is a great deal. 35k? i cant think of any car for that price, with the pressence, and with the power. for gods sake its still the same price range as it was 8 years ago when they stopped making them.
Price hasn't increased...but the performance level hasn't either.
Compare it with how far the Mustang has come since 02(we're talking about a GT500 competitor 5 my's after that car came out)


I want to want a new Camaro in the worst way. But Its frustrating, because i know GM could satisfy us all if they really wanted to...and even more frustrating that Ford is doing an incredible job of it.
Old 09-03-2010 | 03:50 PM
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In case you haven't noticed, the high-option V8 for $35,000ish is selling by the boatload.
I just wonder how many more they could sell, and would it pull rom the V6 or the SS side, or would it just bring in more people. I am sure they studied it, and that was why things are the way they are. I chose $25K becasue much beyond that and you are in 1SS territory, and might as well make the step up.
Old 09-03-2010 | 05:02 PM
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Originally Posted by QATransAm
there isn't a 50k Ford GT sitting next to any Mustang in showrooms...yes i know, base C6 vs GT but my point is theres nothing looming over the GT500's head





Price hasn't increased...but the performance level hasn't either.
Compare it with how far the Mustang has come since 02(we're talking about a GT500 competitor 5 my's after that car came out)


I want to want a new Camaro in the worst way. But Its frustrating, because i know GM could satisfy us all if they really wanted to...and even more frustrating that Ford is doing an incredible job of it.
I agree about the GT500 comment...See the problem for GM is that they already have a $50K sports car, it is called the Corvette! Yes I know some of you will say that the Corvette and the Camaro are 2 different cars, but the bottom line is that they are both sports cars. Fords only sports car above the GT500 was the Ford GT, out of production now. GM has the Vette and I think a lot of people would rather pay $50K for a base Vette compared to a Z28 at the same or near same price. I think the SS is a much better place price-wise for the Camaro and not at the $50K range. I guess we will see when the Z28 comes out and what the price of it is.
Old 09-03-2010 | 05:14 PM
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I agree about the GT500 comment...See the problem for GM is that they already have a $50K sports car, it is called the Corvette! Yes I know some of you will say that the Corvette and the Camaro are 2 different cars, but the bottom line is that they are both sports cars. Fords only sports car above the GT500 was the Ford GT, out of production now. GM has the Vette and I think a lot of people would rather pay $50K for a base Vette compared to a Z28 at the same or near same price. I think the SS is a much better place price-wise for the Camaro and not at the $50K range. I guess we will see when the Z28 comes out and what the price of it is.
You have a good point there.

The thing is...what if the 50k Camaro can whip the 50k Corvette's ***? Yes, I know that is sheer blasphemy to some and I don't mean to ruffle any feathers...but the CTS-V slaughtered the proverbial Corvette Horsepower Cow, opening the gates for...
Old 09-03-2010 | 06:22 PM
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Originally Posted by JasonD
You have a good point there.

The thing is...what if the 50k Camaro can whip the 50k Corvette's ***? Yes, I know that is sheer blasphemy to some and I don't mean to ruffle any feathers...but the CTS-V slaughtered the proverbial Corvette Horsepower Cow, opening the gates for...
To me, there is so much more to the Corvette than just horsepower. It is the overall package that makes it such an amazing car, especially for the price. Look at the fourth gen LS1 f-bodies. They received the LS1 that the Corvette had, but GM just downgraded the horsepower rating. Even though the cars shared the same egine, the Corvette was the clear winner performance-wise. The 5th gen could get 550 HP or whatever, but it will still weigh close to 4000 lbs. It will have more raw horsepower, but the overall package is still totally different than that of a C6. I know the weight issue has been beaten to death, but if you want to compare the 5th gen to a C6, it has to be looked at. That is how I feel anyway .


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