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#31
There was proposal supported by Bob Lutz, to have a lower end Camaro V8 model. It would have had V6 trim and the G8's 361 hp L76 6.0L. It would have been priced somewhere between the base V6 and SS.
Why was it killed?
Fear that it would eat away at the higher profit SS sales.
Why was it killed?
Fear that it would eat away at the higher profit SS sales.
#34
exactly. if chevy sees that the mustang is selling as great as it is and its a 50k car, why wouldnt the z28 be in the same price range and make more profit than it would if they marked it down to 40's and barely made money? i think 50 k is a fair price forthis car. the cts-v coupe is in the 65 range. i think its a hell of a deal if its 50. anything under and thats even more of a deal.
#35
I won't pretend to have any inside knowledge on this but here a couple of points that occur to me-
1. The L76 is no less expensive to produce than an L99/LS3. I don't really know what "v6 trim" means. The 1LT=1SS and 2LT=2SS currently. Are you suggesting they were talking about V8 with LS trim? There really is no place for savings unless you want to just suck out pure gross profit.
2. Some of us spend a fair amount of time lamenting the sales mix between the 6cyl and SS. If there were a "cheap" V8 option, what do we think that would do to V6 sales? And by extension what would that do to our 4 favorite little letters C-A-F-E? I'd be willing to bet this had much more do with it than eating in to profitable SS sales. Although I will say, if you can sell a product for more, why would you want to sell it for less? GM has already stated that they priced the SS so much higher than the V6 in order to drive sales toward the V6.
1. The L76 is no less expensive to produce than an L99/LS3. I don't really know what "v6 trim" means. The 1LT=1SS and 2LT=2SS currently. Are you suggesting they were talking about V8 with LS trim? There really is no place for savings unless you want to just suck out pure gross profit.
2. Some of us spend a fair amount of time lamenting the sales mix between the 6cyl and SS. If there were a "cheap" V8 option, what do we think that would do to V6 sales? And by extension what would that do to our 4 favorite little letters C-A-F-E? I'd be willing to bet this had much more do with it than eating in to profitable SS sales. Although I will say, if you can sell a product for more, why would you want to sell it for less? GM has already stated that they priced the SS so much higher than the V6 in order to drive sales toward the V6.
#36
Techincally there already is a cheap V8... its called the SS. Except that GM jacked up the MSRP to try to sell more V6 Camaros. I wonder how many more V8 Camaros would have been sold if they had priced them with a similar profit margin as the V6s.
#37
even a fully loaded ss is a great deal. 35k? i cant think of any car for that price, with the pressence, and with the power. for gods sake its still the same price range as it was 8 years ago when they stopped making them.
#38
The 2010 Camaro SS with all its features would have been 40k+ in 2002, and that is 2002 dollars.
#39
exactly. the ss is a great deal, no matter what package you get with it. only other comparable car for the price is the mustang and the rt challenger.and honestly the challenger isnt nearly as good as the mustang or camaro. nissan 370z is even more expensive and not nearly as good on the track.
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#41
exactly. if chevy sees that the mustang is selling as great as it is and its a 50k car, why wouldnt the z28 be in the same price range and make more profit than it would if they marked it down to 40's and barely made money? i think 50 k is a fair price forthis car. the cts-v coupe is in the 65 range. i think its a hell of a deal if its 50. anything under and thats even more of a deal.
Compare it with how far the Mustang has come since 02(we're talking about a GT500 competitor 5 my's after that car came out)
I want to want a new Camaro in the worst way. But Its frustrating, because i know GM could satisfy us all if they really wanted to...and even more frustrating that Ford is doing an incredible job of it.
#42
I just wonder how many more they could sell, and would it pull rom the V6 or the SS side, or would it just bring in more people. I am sure they studied it, and that was why things are the way they are. I chose $25K becasue much beyond that and you are in 1SS territory, and might as well make the step up.
#43
there isn't a 50k Ford GT sitting next to any Mustang in showrooms...yes i know, base C6 vs GT but my point is theres nothing looming over the GT500's head
Price hasn't increased...but the performance level hasn't either.
Compare it with how far the Mustang has come since 02(we're talking about a GT500 competitor 5 my's after that car came out)
I want to want a new Camaro in the worst way. But Its frustrating, because i know GM could satisfy us all if they really wanted to...and even more frustrating that Ford is doing an incredible job of it.
Price hasn't increased...but the performance level hasn't either.
Compare it with how far the Mustang has come since 02(we're talking about a GT500 competitor 5 my's after that car came out)
I want to want a new Camaro in the worst way. But Its frustrating, because i know GM could satisfy us all if they really wanted to...and even more frustrating that Ford is doing an incredible job of it.
#44
I agree about the GT500 comment...See the problem for GM is that they already have a $50K sports car, it is called the Corvette! Yes I know some of you will say that the Corvette and the Camaro are 2 different cars, but the bottom line is that they are both sports cars. Fords only sports car above the GT500 was the Ford GT, out of production now. GM has the Vette and I think a lot of people would rather pay $50K for a base Vette compared to a Z28 at the same or near same price. I think the SS is a much better place price-wise for the Camaro and not at the $50K range. I guess we will see when the Z28 comes out and what the price of it is.
The thing is...what if the 50k Camaro can whip the 50k Corvette's ***? Yes, I know that is sheer blasphemy to some and I don't mean to ruffle any feathers...but the CTS-V slaughtered the proverbial Corvette Horsepower Cow, opening the gates for...
#45
You have a good point there.
The thing is...what if the 50k Camaro can whip the 50k Corvette's ***? Yes, I know that is sheer blasphemy to some and I don't mean to ruffle any feathers...but the CTS-V slaughtered the proverbial Corvette Horsepower Cow, opening the gates for...
The thing is...what if the 50k Camaro can whip the 50k Corvette's ***? Yes, I know that is sheer blasphemy to some and I don't mean to ruffle any feathers...but the CTS-V slaughtered the proverbial Corvette Horsepower Cow, opening the gates for...