Edmunds says no Camaro until 2010MY, according to suppliers
02-21-2006 | 12:44 PM
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Re: Edmunds says no Camaro until 2010MY, according to suppliers
Originally Posted by Mustang Killer57
Everyone keeps saying 3.9L base engine...250-280hp. Does anyone else see the problem with this? The camaro is supposed to be a high volume car, and that volume will never happen with those kind of horsepower numbers in the base, bottom of the line camaro. Is their even a car right now that offers the 3.9L close to a base 19g mustang?
I think, since this is suppose to be priced with the mustang, chances are its going to be the 3.5L. First reason...it has better power then every other camaro's base model.
Second Reason...its going to have to be close to $19k as they can get. And i dont see that happening with the 3.9L.
Another reason...its the base...and i dont see GM making a base camaro that is supposed to generate the majority of the sales with that much horsepower.
By the time of the release of the camaro, im sure they will massage the 3.5L to get more hp then the base mustang at that time, but 3.9L...theirs no way they can price that with the mustang.
Then that would leave a nice boost in hp/performance to the 5.3L...which should be able to be marketed close to $25K. Finally, the LS2 or whatever else they have at the time that can be had for HOPEFULLY $29K pending ur option list. Special edition/low volume car LS7 (or whatever is necessary to beat mustang) above $35K...probably closer to $40'K+ for the people that must have. I see this line up being more realistic and cost effective then 3.9L 260hp and up.......
I think, since this is suppose to be priced with the mustang, chances are its going to be the 3.5L. First reason...it has better power then every other camaro's base model.
Second Reason...its going to have to be close to $19k as they can get. And i dont see that happening with the 3.9L.
Another reason...its the base...and i dont see GM making a base camaro that is supposed to generate the majority of the sales with that much horsepower.
By the time of the release of the camaro, im sure they will massage the 3.5L to get more hp then the base mustang at that time, but 3.9L...theirs no way they can price that with the mustang.
Then that would leave a nice boost in hp/performance to the 5.3L...which should be able to be marketed close to $25K. Finally, the LS2 or whatever else they have at the time that can be had for HOPEFULLY $29K pending ur option list. Special edition/low volume car LS7 (or whatever is necessary to beat mustang) above $35K...probably closer to $40'K+ for the people that must have. I see this line up being more realistic and cost effective then 3.9L 260hp and up.......
but if the 3.9 could acheive say 24-34 mpg like the aveo with reduced power and active fuel management that would make a really attractive vehicle... good styling, good power, and great efficeny...can they make a sedan off of the camaro platform to increase production? this is one advantage of the celica and civic type vehicles, they still originate from sedans, where as the camaro lost that after 2nd gen.
to answer your question, the cheapest 3.9l engine is probably the malibu ss... or the impala LT
but both of those if they arent low 20's they are mid 20's
02-21-2006 | 03:53 PM
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Re: Edmunds says no Camaro until 2010MY, according to suppliers
Originally Posted by NewbieWar
but if the 3.9 could acheive say 24-34 mpg like the aveo with reduced power and active fuel management that would make a really attractive vehicle...
Most of my driving is close to home, so I know city miles are lower than highway. But I get between 20 and 25 (the 25 is RARE) mpg. It probably averages 23 or so.
I wasn't getting much different in that in my 2002 V6 Camaro.
Decent little car for the price, but mpg should be MUCH better.
02-21-2006 | 07:53 PM
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Re: Edmunds says no Camaro until 2010MY, according to suppliers
Originally Posted by Mike2001SS
Bob I can understand where you are coming from and some that know more than others like you would like to know more than they do as well so nothing wrong with that.
I take it you are in for a tour of Iraq and do keep your head down over there and we will be praying for you and your team. I for one thanks you for what you are doing for our country and the rest of the world. My son has been there for sometime now and with luck he will be back home 1st week in April. When you get there try and stay in touch with the board when ever posible.
I have 22 years as of June, and once I get back from the sandbox, I'll do one more year then head back to Texas. Looking forward to it. Thanks for the kind words, and one more time for anybody that is reading this....I am calling noone a liar.
Bob
02-21-2006 | 08:45 PM
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Re: Edmunds says no Camaro until 2010MY, according to suppliers
Whatever the case may be w/ the production car, I'm sure none of you will be disapointed. GM knows we, amongst many others are talking, and w/ such high expectations they know not to leave us wanting for more.
As to the car being ready for SOP in 08', I say that's very accurate, because 1) the concept is said to be very much production ready(as said by GM designers, whom also said that the car could be built as it is w/ a few mods). 2) There are even Zeta mules tooling around in Oz(whatever the Holden sedans name is, I've seen spy pics of that on C&G amongs other places; check carspyshots.net). Lastly, I've read quite a few people talking how in 3yrs(should the Camaro be ready by then - doubt it) that time will have caught up w/ it's design, do you guys really think GM would let a concept turned production loom that long between time? And for the talk of the GMT900 trucks needed to be squared away before the advent of the Camaro, think again. Those trucks won't bring in money quickly enough if it's necessary in order to fund further development of other products. IMHO, the Zeta RWD cars are just as crucial to GM as the GMT900 pickups. Not trying to step on any toes whatsoever, just merely stating my beliefs on what I think might be/ or is.
As to the car being ready for SOP in 08', I say that's very accurate, because 1) the concept is said to be very much production ready(as said by GM designers, whom also said that the car could be built as it is w/ a few mods). 2) There are even Zeta mules tooling around in Oz(whatever the Holden sedans name is, I've seen spy pics of that on C&G amongs other places; check carspyshots.net). Lastly, I've read quite a few people talking how in 3yrs(should the Camaro be ready by then - doubt it) that time will have caught up w/ it's design, do you guys really think GM would let a concept turned production loom that long between time? And for the talk of the GMT900 trucks needed to be squared away before the advent of the Camaro, think again. Those trucks won't bring in money quickly enough if it's necessary in order to fund further development of other products. IMHO, the Zeta RWD cars are just as crucial to GM as the GMT900 pickups. Not trying to step on any toes whatsoever, just merely stating my beliefs on what I think might be/ or is.
02-23-2006 | 08:25 AM
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Re: Edmunds says no Camaro until 2010MY, according to suppliers
Originally Posted by 91_z28_4me
Pacer, question I hope you can answer: When vehicles are crash tested, emissions tested... are they production models coming off the line or something like an alpha built in a GM warehouse somewhere in Michigan where most things that are produced don't see the light of day?
"Production intent tooling and process" can mean nearly anything in practice, but the idea is to ensure that the the parts coming off of said tools are the real deal.
GM generally requires suppliers to PPAP their parts roughly 6 months ahead of SORP. The normal run for a PPAP sample is 300 parts. Those parts can then be used for "pilot" vehicles which are usually assembled to do the very validation we are talking about here.
02-23-2006 | 08:27 AM
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Re: Edmunds says no Camaro until 2010MY, according to suppliers
Originally Posted by saroyan689
Ha! You are soooo wrong!!!! It will not be a chain pulsed warp core- you twit!! ITs a quad unit Electo-neomechanical FLUX CAPACITOR!!!!! Hello??!!! McFly!!!!!
02-23-2006 | 02:15 PM
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Re: Edmunds says no Camaro until 2010MY, according to suppliers
Originally Posted by EllwynX
I have to say, I currently drive around in a 2005 Aveo and have been a little disappointed with it's _actual_ gas mileage.
Most of my driving is close to home, so I know city miles are lower than highway. But I get between 20 and 25 (the 25 is RARE) mpg. It probably averages 23 or so.
I wasn't getting much different in that in my 2002 V6 Camaro.
Decent little car for the price, but mpg should be MUCH better.
Most of my driving is close to home, so I know city miles are lower than highway. But I get between 20 and 25 (the 25 is RARE) mpg. It probably averages 23 or so.
I wasn't getting much different in that in my 2002 V6 Camaro.
Decent little car for the price, but mpg should be MUCH better.
i can get better fuel ecconmy out my ls1, then i could my old hyundai elantra...
but... thats not the point i guess...
the thing is, those little engines have to work at 25% to go at X speed, while the larger motors can work at 10% to go the same speed... thus less fuel consumption... just an example, nothing scientific about it, no numbers to back it up... displacement is awesome
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