Can someone get me a High Res version of that image?

 

Quite a few with them around Monterey.
Makes them loud.
But sound like a V8?

 

When in doubt, go to the people with their hands in the pot.

The media (me included) have traditionally went to OEM manufacturers, people who are aware of how long it takes to get through stages inside the company (since those in the know usually don't talk). The weird thing this time around is that alot of the people directly involved are talking or doing things pretty openly.

Under normal ops, the Camaro would be at least 3 years from production, and that's what alot of people are going by. But consider these things:

1. Camaro isn't being engineered in Detroit or even the USA. It was done in Australia... away from people who would normally have an idea how far along things might be. You'll find people inside GM this very second saying with all their heart that Camaro won't happen in less than 3 years because GM historically doesn't, and simply can't move that fast, and NOT because they have accurate up to date information. Game's different this time.

2. There's alot of steps that's not going to be done with Camaro that traditionally has been done in the development process. The car isn't going to any clinics. It's not going to be sent back to have it's styling redone (which would even still require yet another clinic afterwards). A huge time saver. The car's suspension parts have already been tested. It was done on the VE Commodore mules. More chunks of time saved. The body structure testing is being done all in virturally reality (pioneered partially the Solstice), not on a series of mules, alphas, betas, etc. Again, this is taking a massive amount out of development time.

3. Finally, things aren't exactly standing still at Wilmington.


I'll simply say check up on these things, follow what's being said by the guys involved, and then come to your own conclusion.

 

28k for a v8 vert???? Maybe you might get a optioned out v6 vert for that or a little under that!! You cant touch a v8 mustang vert for 28k either!

 

I actually had a 2006 priced out for me at North Country Ford here in the Twin Cities and in came in at $27.750. Looks to me that is under $28K.
I didn't have the premium stereo and pretty much didn't load it up with options. I only need a V8, power top, and an auto for the wife.
I just went on Ford's site and pulled a Gt Vert for $28.5K
Just pulled up Kelly Blue Book and they are saying the invoice is $28,189

It can be done. With incentives and financing it will be even lower.
Do your reasearch before you slam me.

 

Me.

The Camaro will be powered by a twin-nacelle, chain pulsed warp core with dilithium control crystals and a positron flywheel.

Faster-than-light cruising speeds will obviate the usage of radar and laser detectors, but there will be significant advantages in that you will actually be able to travel back in time to your highschool years and bang old Mary Jane Rottencrotch in a Camaro... and THAT TIME she'll still have most of her teeth, so it's win/win/win.



Nieuport or SPAD?

Nieuport was the Ford of the French warplane industry in WW1, btw.
Slow and prone to spontaneous self-disassembly.

SPAD's had V8's anyway... so it's gotta be the Nieuport.

 

I think your refering to the American Thunder Flow Master. If you go to their site and listen to what it is supposed to sound like, that and the V8 sound they have are the same. It has also been in magazines as cheap easy HP. However, I can tell you the one I put on my 98 3.8L along with K&N filter is loud, but doesnt sound like a V8. Maybe they did other mods, but I was under the impression the one you listen to on their site was stock.

Sorry back to topic.

 

Here's the part where I think we need to agree to disagree.

Changes have occured, and will occur again.

 

That's one scenario. But in another, imagine if there were a 0-10 hp difference between the "entry" V8 and the V6. What do you do? Sure, you could say V8 torque and V8 burble. But can you really justify the money for both of these engines in such a scenario?

Or would it make more sense to go to the next level up V8?

 

haha i dont trust my source very much... but he doesnt work for GM, a supplier that was spun off a few years back.

according to what he says expect it in showrooms in 07... thats all he mentioned, and this was to the entire sales staff... perhaps thats what he was instructed to tell us per GM...

 

That is funny. What I typically say is "It will sound like Eddie Rickenbacker's Nieuport" so you got it

If I don't say that sometimes it is the Red Baron's Fokker, but the famous one was a DR1 and that wasn't a biplane...

 

I understand what youre saying, but why does there need to be that close of a difference? Why try to wring all this hp out of a V6 when they already have it, proven and reliable, sittin in a V8, that gets just as good fuel economy as that high strung V6 will. I just dont get it. Why try to work over a V6 that much when they already have a plethora of V6's available. If the V6 is at or above 300hp, and the next engine they offer is 400hp+...."the height of stupidity that will be"(yoda voice)

 

Because it could be an available powertrain choice by the time the car is released.

Or not......

 

I'll agree with you on that front.

But I guess where I'm going down a different road is that the top power has already been picked.

I'm sure in typical GM fashion and foresight, the chassis has been engineered to accept an OHV V6 as well as the wider & taller OHC version, so there might be flexibility on which V6 is going to be used based on production issues. However, I'll defer to someone else who may want to interject here.

On the other hand, a 5.3 V8 being offered is a forgone conclusion.

 

Ah yes, the Fokker Dr1...

A very interesting plane, and very deadly in the hands of the right pilot.

I subscribe to the "gimme the thing with the best dive acceleration/speed" school of thought.

While the Fokker would run rings around the SPAD in a turning contest, the SPAD pilot could choose to enter the fight on his terms due to his speed advantage, or dive away at will if the fight went badly.

The ability to dive out is the fighter pilot's ace in the hole.


Hmmmm... another WW1 air combat fan on the board, very nice.