Jason I will make it fair how about all the beer you can drink the next time we get together and guys remember this when I pull up in my 08

 

It's Charlie, and I prefer a Kettle One Martini, straight up. But I'll tell ya what Mike...I'll buy you a beer whether you win or lose.

 

haha funny... i'm going with late 2007... that seems reasonable to me, if there were able to keep the concept under wraps for so long, what makes you think they havent other things in place, also holdens doing the research so you never know whats been going on down under. the testing and everything can be done elsewhere... gm is making sure that the vehicles are not getting exposure unless they want them to. and this one... is a important one to keep the covers on

 

Charlie I like screwdrivers better anyway and better hope you lose this one and lets hope I am right but I really think I am and I like surprises don't you

 

Oh, I hope I lose! But '08 MY is like 10-18 months from now.

 

Structural simulation. Structures engineers wet dream but as someone who's almost but not quite an engineer, I'm not sure I'd trust it completely.

I just remember what a crusty old test pilot told me my sophmore year in college. "Simulation is like masturbation, the more you do it the more it feels like the real thing but it never is. Lets face it, if simulation was good enough we'd all have a blow up doll and not put up with the b*tch but it just doesn't fly."

But anyway, I guess as long as they do some real deal structrual testing to go along with the simulation its ok.

 

Mr. Cosby......

Let me ask you something........

Have I lied to you yet?

The answer is "no".....and there's a reason for that. The reason is that I don't intend to die tomorrow.

I learned a long time ago on the knee of my grandfather (Good ole C.C. Henry) that a person's reputation is everything. If I lie to you and others on this board, I'm no longer the person I should be.

Therefore.....all I can say is 'trust me' ......and NO, I'm not gonna spill the beans (unless you give me a bullet-proof agreement to support me in the manner to which I'd like to be accustomed to for the rest of my life......)

I guess what I'm saying here is twofold:

1. If I tell you something, I hope you'll believe me because reputation is everything to me

2. Stop with the 'winkie' club rountine. While I lose my patience sometimes with the misinformation from 'insiders' that shouldn't be talking to some of our members, I gotta give our members credit for their persistence!

 

One last thing.......


Who really works for GM and would know?

 

Bob....

I think you just got

 

Scott, you can't ever retire. You'd never be able to handle the lack of stress you deal with on a daily basis.

 

A related question for those who know technical possibilities:
Say the top end engine is something less than an LS7 and I have my heart set on an LS7. Assuming I could afford it, would it be technically possible to put one in if I got my dealer to order it? Would the drive-train etc. have to be upgraded too? A salesman at my dealer told me this may be possible but didn't know for sure.
I'm thinking of the 427's ordered and installed in a few, now very valuable, 1st gens.

 

There's a thread on here which states the engineers designed the car to handle 500 horsepower.

Too lazy to search for ya, but the thread title is "Making the case for LS3"

 

Boeing's 777 was the first plane 100% digitally designed and simulated on a computer...10 years ago!!! And there are quite a few of them flying today. Who knows how many millions of miles they have clocked.

If they can do that with an airplane - 10 years ago, then I don't think we have anything to worry about today with digital simulation of an automobile.

 

I am with you 100%. In fact, I want to start a betting pool, just for fun.

I believe we'll start seeing spy pics of the Camaro on the road by early 2007.

And Holden, well heck. They are almost a small version of GM themselves. Not even Saab does as much independent development as Holden does. Holden seems to blaze trails and do their own thing, and do it quite well.

Holden's concepts are purely Holden - when's the last time you saw a Chevy/Pontiac/Buick/Saturn/GMC concept that wasn't called a GM concept? GM seems to build a parts shop, and Chevy/Pontiac/Buick/Saturn/GMC fight amongst one another to see who gets what from the parts bin. Holden however, doesn't seem to be connected to GM's umbilical cord. About the only thing that Holden grabs from GM is LSx engines and transmissions.

 

correct who really knows? you obviously know... but what we're told at the dealership, i believe is fair knowledge to dispose of.