Fact or Fiction? PHR says 300 HP V6 Standard
02-12-2008, 07:42 PM
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http://www.theautochannel.com/news/2...03/074342.html
*Edit: I guess I was a little slow on the Vette Numbers
The only problem with the DI V-6 (and I believe Motor Trend commented on this and made a "big deal" about it) but apparently they DI motors have a somewhat coarse/loud sound to them under load and acceleration. A major no no in today's "everything must be perfect and not a single squeak or rattle had better be heard!" market. I know it's a Camaro, buy y'all know how magazines and comparisons can tear a new car apart...
I can see it now:
"The Camaro's new DI V-6 blows the doors off the current Mustang V-6 offerings in fuel mileage, power, and acceleration, but we found it sounded too coarse and loud for a muscle car, so we recommend the V-6 Mustang over the V-6 Camaro."
http://www.theautochannel.com/news/2...03/074342.html
*Edit: I guess I was a little slow on the Vette Numbers
The only problem with the DI V-6 (and I believe Motor Trend commented on this and made a "big deal" about it) but apparently they DI motors have a somewhat coarse/loud sound to them under load and acceleration. A major no no in today's "everything must be perfect and not a single squeak or rattle had better be heard!" market. I know it's a Camaro, buy y'all know how magazines and comparisons can tear a new car apart...
I can see it now:
"The Camaro's new DI V-6 blows the doors off the current Mustang V-6 offerings in fuel mileage, power, and acceleration, but we found it sounded too coarse and loud for a muscle car, so we recommend the V-6 Mustang over the V-6 Camaro."
The noise problem was on preproduction CTS models and has been as is still be addressed. As of now few have any problem with the production version and GM is still working to make it better yet.
By a year from now it will be a non issue in the Camaro.
02-12-2008, 09:06 PM
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http://www.theautochannel.com/news/2...03/074342.html
*Edit: I guess I was a little slow on the Vette Numbers
The only problem with the DI V-6 (and I believe Motor Trend commented on this and made a "big deal" about it) but apparently they DI motors have a somewhat coarse/loud sound to them under load and acceleration. A major no no in today's "everything must be perfect and not a single squeak or rattle had better be heard!" market. I know it's a Camaro, buy y'all know how magazines and comparisons can tear a new car apart...
I can see it now:
"The Camaro's new DI V-6 blows the doors off the current Mustang V-6 offerings in fuel mileage, power, and acceleration, but we found it sounded too coarse and loud for a muscle car, so we recommend the V-6 Mustang over the V-6 Camaro."
http://www.theautochannel.com/news/2...03/074342.html
*Edit: I guess I was a little slow on the Vette Numbers
The only problem with the DI V-6 (and I believe Motor Trend commented on this and made a "big deal" about it) but apparently they DI motors have a somewhat coarse/loud sound to them under load and acceleration. A major no no in today's "everything must be perfect and not a single squeak or rattle had better be heard!" market. I know it's a Camaro, buy y'all know how magazines and comparisons can tear a new car apart...
I can see it now:
"The Camaro's new DI V-6 blows the doors off the current Mustang V-6 offerings in fuel mileage, power, and acceleration, but we found it sounded too coarse and loud for a muscle car, so we recommend the V-6 Mustang over the V-6 Camaro."
02-13-2008, 05:44 AM
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Lol, I'd argue nearly 500,000 people disagree with you based on thier purchase alone and there are probably three times as many that would disagree more, and I'd say that it isn't because of lack of taste, ergo your standpoint is invalid (especially since taste is an opinion and entirely subjective and seldom universal). I guess performance can be objective, but the bulk of its significance is really for magazine types to stroke or **** on egos to sell magazines (and the reasons for the f-bods hiatus have been discussed ad nauseam) and as for making that statement on a Camaro board making it valid - yeah I guess in the same way sticking your head in the sand makes the bogey man go away.
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02-13-2008, 06:27 PM
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Looks are a matter of opinion, thats what I'm saying, but like 1 billion people in China chomping down on rice, I can't see 500,000 people buying a Mustang if they are as bad as you suggest, and even more mind boggling (to you I guess), why would people only settle for a mid to high 13 second car that can barely make it to 150 and pulls less than .90 on the skidpad - for the average guy it doesn't matter, for most people breaking 100 miles per hour is the automotive equivalent of going lightspeed - build a car that can do that in about a quarter mile and it ranks pretty high by most standards and is what alot of people would consider "high-performance" (indeed, only people with very short memories, have been in a coma for the last 30 years, have been born in the last 20 years or are just a bunch of jaded enthusiasts anomously posting on the internet wouldn't consider that fast).
02-13-2008, 06:31 PM
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I did in my 91 LX until I ran into my first LT1 powered Fbody, then my eyes were blown wide open - but like my mom likes to tell me "I'm the most contrary bastard she's ever met" - I like to call it peerless intrepidity - I stick for the most part with my brand F cars.
02-13-2008, 10:51 PM
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Hey...what happened to our thread???????? There will never be and end to the politics arguements .....so maybe you guys can just argue them with PM's so the rest of us can continue making idiots of ourselves over simple horsepower/purchase price and Camaro vs Mustang issues OK? 
02-14-2008, 05:39 AM
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You made the statement - "there is no accounting for taste" which in and of itself would lend it to being in the majority, or something being inferred by an expert on the subject.
Looks are a matter of opinion, thats what I'm saying, but like 1 billion people in China chomping down on rice, I can't see 500,000 people buying a Mustang if they are as bad as you suggest, and even more mind boggling (to you I guess), why would people only settle for a mid to high 13 second car that can barely make it to 150 and pulls less than .90 on the skidpad - for the average guy it doesn't matter, for most people breaking 100 miles per hour is the automotive equivalent of going lightspeed - build a car that can do that in about a quarter mile and it ranks pretty high by most standards and is what alot of people would consider "high-performance" (indeed, only people with very short memories, have been in a coma for the last 30 years, have been born in the last 20 years or are just a bunch of jaded enthusiasts anomously posting on the internet wouldn't consider that fast).
Looks are a matter of opinion, thats what I'm saying, but like 1 billion people in China chomping down on rice, I can't see 500,000 people buying a Mustang if they are as bad as you suggest, and even more mind boggling (to you I guess), why would people only settle for a mid to high 13 second car that can barely make it to 150 and pulls less than .90 on the skidpad - for the average guy it doesn't matter, for most people breaking 100 miles per hour is the automotive equivalent of going lightspeed - build a car that can do that in about a quarter mile and it ranks pretty high by most standards and is what alot of people would consider "high-performance" (indeed, only people with very short memories, have been in a coma for the last 30 years, have been born in the last 20 years or are just a bunch of jaded enthusiasts anomously posting on the internet wouldn't consider that fast).
Okay, moving on......So how about that Camaro huh?
02-14-2008, 09:21 AM
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Hey...what happened to our thread???????? There will never be and end to the politics arguements .....so maybe you guys can just argue them with PM's so the rest of us can continue making idiots of ourselves over simple horsepower/purchase price and Camaro vs Mustang issues OK?
02-14-2008, 09:29 AM
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02-14-2008, 08:44 PM
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