View Poll Results: Are True Duals Too Loud For the Everyday Car Buyer?
Yes, there should be a silencer option on the new Camaro
19
9.22%
No, the concept is intentionally loud, factory t/d won't be too loud
187
90.78%
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Factory True Duals: Too Loud for Non-Enthusiasts?
#46
Haha, that cracked me up. I'm picturing those very drivers now...
When I worked at a gas station at my younger age, we always said why is it always some old fart driving Vettes, Porsches, etc. They couldn't possibly know how to enjoy those sports cars (although, now I realize some of those old farts could be pretty good drivers. Just think about those older gents driving in SCCA World Challenge series)...
When I worked at a gas station at my younger age, we always said why is it always some old fart driving Vettes, Porsches, etc. They couldn't possibly know how to enjoy those sports cars (although, now I realize some of those old farts could be pretty good drivers. Just think about those older gents driving in SCCA World Challenge series)...
First they are the ones who can afford them.
Second they are the ones who can afford the insurence.
Third, they like them.
Personal experiences:
I really liked Corvettes when I was a teen, and would have bought one if given a chance.
When I was on my own & had some $$, instead of buying a used Vette, I bought Mustangs.
In my 30s, I got Thunderbird SC fever. I also started picking up Camaro habits. Again, Corvettes were off of my list.
2 years ago, I started to buy a GTO. Again, no Corvette on my list.
Now that I'm a bit older, Corvette is on the edge of my radar. Not quite on my "next car" list, but I'm far more aware of them than I was a few years ago.
Not that I'm some "old guy" yet, of course.
#47
Originally Posted by GM employee
As to exhaust note....keep in mind that there are 53 counties and one state that have what is called 'noise drive-by' standards.....it's an actual series of tests we MUST pass on every car and truck that we build (under 8,500 lbs GVWR)......and that's why we don't have that great loud noise that's available with aftermarket exhaust systems.....interestingly 'second sticker' content (ala SLP installed exhausts) have a higher dba than the one for OEM.......so while I agree with you, the feds and some county officials don't agree with you or I....interestingly, TIRE NOISE is a problem with some trucks...and as a result, tire manufacturers have to also test for driveby noise.........
(ain't auto manufacturing fun?????)
(ain't auto manufacturing fun?????)
So if you want some info on the Camaro it might be cool to start looking at who/when/where the exhaust dba and tires noise will be tested.
Personally I think it would be an awesome advertisement to be a picture of the rear of the Camaro, with the camera on the ground so you can see the 12 inch wide tires on the Z/28 (magazine). Then have the car launch for the commercial.
Last edited by number77; 11-30-2006 at 05:04 PM.
#48
Wrong!! Have you ever noticed how many blonde women you see driving Mustang GT's?? Tons!! And old retired farts () driving around in GT convertibles, Z28's, Corvettes ..... all V8 cars ..... who look/drive like they're asleep at the wheel?? They don't look any more "enthusiastic" about having their big V8 than Gramma driving her Buick to the shopping center .
Last edited by 5thgen69camaro; 11-30-2006 at 08:58 PM.
#49
#50
The pass-by noise test procedures are SAE tests (J986 and J1470) and are mandated at the federal level. 80 dBa is the federal limit, but the manufacturers usually require vehicles to be one or two dBa below the limit to make sure all will pass. The 986 test involves approaching the trap at a set speed and going WOT at a predetermined point. The point where the engine hits max rated engine speed (MRES) will determine which gear the test is required to be run in. The vehicle is run several times in each direction through the traps and the results are averaged.
The 1470 test is similar but the microphones are closer, the traps are a different length, and the WOT portion is shorter. There are other details to both tests, but a passenger vehicle must certify to one of these procedures. Heavy trucks certify to a different procedure (J366 I think).
80 dBa isn't very loud for a performance vehicle so OEM exhaust sound will never be very prominent since it really can't if it is to certify. OEM exhaust is however, very robust and now it's always made of stainless steel.
The 1470 test is similar but the microphones are closer, the traps are a different length, and the WOT portion is shorter. There are other details to both tests, but a passenger vehicle must certify to one of these procedures. Heavy trucks certify to a different procedure (J366 I think).
80 dBa isn't very loud for a performance vehicle so OEM exhaust sound will never be very prominent since it really can't if it is to certify. OEM exhaust is however, very robust and now it's always made of stainless steel.
#51
But thats just my opinion...
#52
"In your opinion" the exhaust should have a nice rumble ... I agree 100%! But that's in YOUR or MY opinion. "WE" enthusiasts apparently don't buy ~100k+ muscle/sports/performance cars every year. Not to say that the cars don't sell, but many people just care about the "image" (even though "we" don't buy into that kind of "what's hot / what's not" crap ).
If a fast, quiet car will sell to the masses, that's fine by me ..... I'll just be swapping out those factory mufflers in a hurry!!
#53
Why does the Camaro have to be an enthusiasts car though? Why can't it sell in high volume?? These are the old stereotypes (and reality ) that need to CHANGE. The point I've been trying to make is that the Mustang is driven by lots of people who are NOT enthusiasts, who could CARE LESS about ~200 HP or ~500 HP, probably DON'T care for loud exhaust, and they are the "volume customers"!
"In your opinion" the exhaust should have a nice rumble ... I agree 100%! But that's in YOUR or MY opinion. "WE" enthusiasts apparently don't buy ~100k+ muscle/sports/performance cars every year. Not to say that the cars don't sell, but many people just care about the "image" (even though "we" don't buy into that kind of "what's hot / what's not" crap ).
If a fast, quiet car will sell to the masses, that's fine by me ..... I'll just be swapping out those factory mufflers in a hurry!!
"In your opinion" the exhaust should have a nice rumble ... I agree 100%! But that's in YOUR or MY opinion. "WE" enthusiasts apparently don't buy ~100k+ muscle/sports/performance cars every year. Not to say that the cars don't sell, but many people just care about the "image" (even though "we" don't buy into that kind of "what's hot / what's not" crap ).
If a fast, quiet car will sell to the masses, that's fine by me ..... I'll just be swapping out those factory mufflers in a hurry!!
Last edited by 5thgen69camaro; 12-10-2006 at 03:26 PM.
#55
#56
And it all depends on the mufflers... an 60 or 80 (if they make 80's) series Flowmaster will be VERY quiet!
Were the stock present day camaro's TOO loud?? Granted it was not a true dual. Are the stock GTO's too loud? like said before this post..w ere any factory true duals too loud? Besides, what enthusiast complains about exhaust note? Or what person would test drive the car and not notice the tone and buy it anyway, then complain about it..- Well, it has happened.
THANK YOU! My borla is starting to sound quiet..
#57
It can have 2" exhaust and the quietest mufflers ever made for all I care as long as it is true dual with an X or H so I can fit the exhaust I want under it. I can almost promise mine wont have whatever exhaust GM puts on it for more than 30 days.
And that sound test is done in the "lowest selectable gear" at WOT. That is why the auto Fbodys with 2.73 had no "1" on the gear selector, because it didn't meet the requirement when put down in 1st but did in 2nd gear.
And that sound test is done in the "lowest selectable gear" at WOT. That is why the auto Fbodys with 2.73 had no "1" on the gear selector, because it didn't meet the requirement when put down in 1st but did in 2nd gear.
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