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Old 05-19-2008 | 08:57 AM
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Originally Posted by poSSum
IMO the fact that 15 enthusiasts left the Summit happy should tell you a lot.
I think all IZ28 was trying to say is there is no new information presented except there is a super secret color and the V6 is going to be very good ( which a lot of people were already expecting). 15 Camaro nuts came back happy after they had a chance to: meet the team, get a private showing of the progress, and provide feedback on the final development. That doesn't really tell me a whole lot. If they came back unhappy that would say a lot ( namely that the team had drastically changed direction from the concept). Most of this is probably just bitterness that I didn't get to meet the team and get a sneak peak so I'll shut up and wait patiently until you can spill some more beans.
Old 05-19-2008 | 10:24 AM
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Originally Posted by poSSum
IMO the fact that 15 enthusiasts left the Summit happy should tell you a lot.
Exactly.

The Desciple program wasn't designed to be an avenue of info release about the new Camaro. At least that was never my impression...

It's meant to provide an avenue from the enthusiast community for feedback, impressions, desires, and part of a concerted effort to make the new Camaro the absolute best yet. A conduit for input from, not output to, the community.

The invite is there for the taking to go to Indy and get your own "desciple" experience. If you miss out, you miss a very big deal.

The fact the desciple program is even known about is unusual. The fact they can talk about it at all is not to be expected. Don't ask them to tarnish their integrity. It's a part of why they were chosen, no doubt.

Folks have been encouraged to keep the faith, I also suggest having a little patience... Both will be rewarded.

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Old 05-19-2008 | 10:36 AM
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Originally Posted by 1fastdog
The invite is there for the taking to go to Indy and get your own "desciple" experience. If you miss out, you miss a very big deal.
See ya there.... in my newly aquired '83 Crossfire, which is ..ugh...kinda slow.
Old 05-19-2008 | 10:44 AM
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See ya there.... in my newly aquired '83 Crossfire, which is ..ugh...kinda slow.
Congrats! Tell us about your new stable addition!! I'd bet a 3.42 rear gear swap would go a long way to waking her up.

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Old 05-19-2008 | 04:50 PM
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The only thing I'd miss is the V8 rumble, which is a pretty big deal...
+1 The v8 rumble is a must for me. My wife's Z has a nice exhaust note, but it's not a v8 and for me that makes a difference.

That said, I LOVE that the v6 is so good!!!
Old 05-19-2008 | 05:38 PM
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Ok, I'm sorry, I'm having a weak moment, I admit, I am very jealous!!! Actually, that barely describes it! Considering I know one of the "disciples" personally, I feel an even bigger sense of how "close" and yet "so far" from this experience I am!
Definitely wish you could have been there with us, Pete! Knowing your focus and what you like to do with your car, I know how pleased you would have been!!
Too late for the June issue, but I'll try and find the time to write a report for the OMSC July "Fast Lines".

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Old 05-19-2008 | 05:58 PM
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Originally Posted by detltu
Most of this is probably just bitterness that I didn't get to meet the team and get a sneak peak ...

Come to Indy in September. You'll get to meet most of us disciples and people on the GM/Camaro Team and have a guaranteed great time.
Old 05-19-2008 | 06:09 PM
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Originally Posted by Mushasi
To be honest, I was quite happy with the 310 hp in the 4th gen. Yeah, I'd want more hp when I take the car tracking, but that only happens twice a year.

The only thing I'd miss is the V8 rumble, which is a pretty big deal...
In '01-02, the LS1 was rated at 310 horsepower and 345 lb-ft of torque.
The LS1 actually made closer to 340hp and 375 lb-ft.

The DI 3.6 is rated at 304hp and 273 lb-ft, and is by all accounts accurately rated.

Not to detract from the DI 3.6's awesomeness, but it is not going to feel like driving an LS1.
Old 05-19-2008 | 06:34 PM
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Originally Posted by Z284ever
See ya there.... in my newly aquired '83 Crossfire, which is ..ugh...kinda slow.
Get those gears out! Any pictures?
Old 05-19-2008 | 09:07 PM
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Congrats! Tell us about your new stable addition!! I'd bet a 3.42 rear gear swap would go a long way to waking her up.
After briefly considering taking my '89 IROC, I realized that it is just too mint to take on a trip like that. Plus parking it in a hotel lot for a weekend ( ), would keep me from sleeping much.

It was time to find another clean, reliable 3rd gen, which I could be less **** about.

I find the Crossfire cars to be interesting from a period engineering perspective. Also, they are the last Camaros to have a true, functional, cold air system. Hey, what the hell, people still build up Flatheads, why can't I have a Crossfire? Anyway, I'm aware of their design compromises, but their biggest performance impediment is that mind-numbingly restrictive stock exhaust.

I found mine on Craigslist on a desolate farm road in Wisconsin. It's a clean, unmolested, original car with 96K miles.I'm the third owner. It's white with blue cloth interior. It has 4 wheel discs, posi and T-Tops.

This is the first automatic car I've had (for myself), in maybe 27 years. It's weird driving a Camaro with no clutch. For the first 50 miles, driving it back from Wisconsin yesterday, my left foot was instinctively searching for that ghost clutch pedal.

Their are afew issues I need to address on it. The most serious, I think, are the seatbelts. They seem to not want to retract when you put them on. I know GM had a recall on them back then, so I'll look into it. If I don't feel that they're safe, I'd doubt I'll take two of my kids down to Indy with it. We'll see. If not I'll take my CTS.
Old 05-19-2008 | 09:12 PM
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Originally Posted by IZ28
Get those gears out! Any pictures?
I'll get some posted. In the meantime, it looks just like BigDark&Fast's car in this thread:
https://www.camaroz28.com/forums/sho...=592448&page=5

Actually, I think the 2.93 gear will pretty nice for the trip to Indy. But I do see a Catco high flow cat and Flowmaster 3" exhaust in it's future.
Old 05-19-2008 | 09:22 PM
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Originally Posted by JakeRobb
In '01-02, the LS1 was rated at 310 horsepower and 345 lb-ft of torque.
The LS1 actually made closer to 340hp and 375 lb-ft.

The DI 3.6 is rated at 304hp and 273 lb-ft, and is by all accounts accurately rated.

Not to detract from the DI 3.6's awesomeness, but it is not going to feel like driving an LS1.
You're right, I didn't take torque into consideration, which is even more important in everyday driving than HP.
Old 05-19-2008 | 09:52 PM
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You're right, I didn't take torque into consideration, which is even more important in everyday driving than HP.
Torque is real power, HP is just math.
Old 05-19-2008 | 09:58 PM
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Originally Posted by Z284ever
See ya there.... in my newly aquired '83 Crossfire, which is ..ugh...kinda slow.

83 Crossfire? Was there something before the current Crossfire?

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Crossfire injected GM product I'm guessing (dunno why I didn't think of that).

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Old 05-19-2008 | 10:02 PM
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Originally Posted by JakeRobb
In '01-02, the LS1 was rated at 310 horsepower and 345 lb-ft of torque.
The LS1 actually made closer to 340hp and 375 lb-ft.

The DI 3.6 is rated at 304hp and 273 lb-ft, and is by all accounts accurately rated.

Not to detract from the DI 3.6's awesomeness, but it is not going to feel like driving an LS1.
With a 100lbs less torque, you got that right and it's not going to sound
like a LS1, BUT that V6 power will be a good starting point and even though I will more than likely be getting the V8, I would not be unhappy with a V6 putting down that amount of power.



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