A few price concerns...
#16
I think a lot will depend on dealers. I blame dealer mark ups for the low sales of the GTO along with some bland Grand Am styling.
I would expect the pricing of the Camaro to be close to that of the G8's. Hopefully less (Pontiacs usually cost more than their Chevrolet counter parts) but its hard to say in this case.
I would expect the pricing of the Camaro to be close to that of the G8's. Hopefully less (Pontiacs usually cost more than their Chevrolet counter parts) but its hard to say in this case.
#18
SS auto/m6 pricing probably to mimic the GTO where the M6 was about $900 additional but the A4 had the gas guzzler tax; pretty much a wash.
SS 32500-33500 w/ RS package on either auto/m6 adding $2700 because they'll package it with a 72 speaker, 28 disc CD (obviously exaggerating) sound system and a bunch of other BS to include the only leather seating option. When did GM "package" what you really wanted without forcing you into a bunch of crap you didn't? Still, at 36,200 for an SS/RS (my guess), it's sales should blow the doors off the Challenger SRT selling for 5k more...
That's the problem though... TELL ME what the pricing is (even a +/- $1000 fudge factor) so I don't consider a Challenger while waiting for the pricing release, followed by production release, followed by ADM getting under control...
You, me, anyone, right now is looking at 7 months before a dealer even has one and probably another 4 or 5 months before we're not paying 10,5,3k over sticker... That's a year people. I can factory order any Challenger model at or slightly below sticker RIGHT NOW. GM needs to get the pricing released to take away my temptation and probably countless others'.
#20
Competitive or not, how much do you really expect in today's dollars to pay for a 400+ HP car? My 04 GTO stickered at 33,600 with a 350HP LS1. That was 4 years ago... Granted the marketing was so poor on it that I got almost 7k off sticker near model year end. That was NOT the case for the 05-06 models with the LS2. They pretty much held within $1000 of the roughly 34k sticker. How bad does a 35-36k SS really look in that comparison?
#21
I would pay 33-35 for the SS, but that is absoulutely pushing it for me.
I agree 33-35 for a 422Hp car is reasonable, but thats what I'm hoping it will cost, I expect it to sticker around 42,000 though.
God I hope I am wrong!
I agree 33-35 for a 422Hp car is reasonable, but thats what I'm hoping it will cost, I expect it to sticker around 42,000 though.
God I hope I am wrong!
#22
If the SS stickers for anything over $34K without the RS package (even THAT is really pushing it), I hope the whole Camaro project tanks, because they would then have failed miserably at keeping it competitive with the Mustang. I'll pay a $4K "premium" over the Mustang, and that is it.
#23
gm needs to deliver a v6 camaro for less than a v6 mustang
and a v8 camaro less than a v8 mustang. point blank.
if they think they will sell a bunch in the 30k range..think again.
credit is horrible right now. i would know..i sell cars for a living.
the economy is horrible right now..and not likely to be much better soon.
so if you think a camaro for 35k with a v8 getting 23 mpg is going to suffice next year when gas might be in the 5-6$ / gal range you might want to rethink your budget...unless you have a lot of money to blow.
people can not get approved for a pot to **** in right now. banks are strapped and tightening up on loans...foreclosures are everywhere. i won't be buying this camaro unless every model is cheaper than a mustang and by that i mean the v6 camaro must be cheaper thana v6 mustang, and a v8 maro must be cheaper than a v8 mustang
and a v8 camaro less than a v8 mustang. point blank.
if they think they will sell a bunch in the 30k range..think again.
credit is horrible right now. i would know..i sell cars for a living.
the economy is horrible right now..and not likely to be much better soon.
so if you think a camaro for 35k with a v8 getting 23 mpg is going to suffice next year when gas might be in the 5-6$ / gal range you might want to rethink your budget...unless you have a lot of money to blow.
people can not get approved for a pot to **** in right now. banks are strapped and tightening up on loans...foreclosures are everywhere. i won't be buying this camaro unless every model is cheaper than a mustang and by that i mean the v6 camaro must be cheaper thana v6 mustang, and a v8 maro must be cheaper than a v8 mustang
#24
V6 24000-24500...JMO, and add $2250 for the RS package. They can not compete pricing wise with the BASE BARE BONES V6 Mustang at 19735 when popping a 300HP motor in the car. Honestly, if they strip the car down enough to get to low 20's for the V6, I'll be sadly disappointed that they stooped so low on this vehicle and it'll show in the finished product...
However, when you say "popping a 300HP motor in the car" you have to remember that the 3.6 is essentially "the" GM V6 now and even the Direct Injection version will be in all of the Lambdas by next year. The non DI is in some version of virtually every car GM makes now. I'd guess economies of scale start to kick in.
#25
You won't be buying a Camaro, then. Bob Lutz, Fbodfather, everyone on the development team has already said many times over that the Camaro will be a premium over the Mustang. I mean, the barest bones V6 will have an IRS...
#27
Dodge is able to price the Challenger V-6 at 22k so GM will need to match the entry Camaro price to that. Challenger also has IRS. Now the SS has the power to match the SRT but I feel should be priced with the R/T and the GT Mustang. The Challenger R/T with cloth interior starts at 29,995, Camaro should be lower than this by a little with the base SS. A fully loaded Mustang GT special edition BULLET car can be had for 33k. A Camaro SS with leather should be under that and fully equiped needs to fall in under 35K
Most folks except for the hardcore dont care about HP Just MPG and what will it cost me per month. Its great the the base Camaro has 300hp but most folks in that market wont care about HP if it cost more than the Mustang and Challenger per month for a loan or lease.
Most folks except for the hardcore dont care about HP Just MPG and what will it cost me per month. Its great the the base Camaro has 300hp but most folks in that market wont care about HP if it cost more than the Mustang and Challenger per month for a loan or lease.
#28
I was also thinking the L99 with AFM will be at or exceed the M6 price
#30
If the SS stickers for anything over $34K without the RS package (even THAT is really pushing it), I hope the whole Camaro project tanks, because they would then have failed miserably at keeping it competitive with the Mustang. I'll pay a $4K "premium" over the Mustang, and that is it.
We do have Mustang and Challenger base line pricing:
MUSTANG:
Basic (and I mean basic) V6 Mustang -> $20,530 MSRP inc dest chg.
Loaded to the max GT Mustang-> $35,375 inc Bullitt pkg and 2k for the touch-screen nav.
CHALLENGER:
Base SE w/ V6 (250HP)-> $21,995
Base RT w/ V8 (357HP)-> $29,995
Loaded to the max SRT8 (425HP)-> 44,325 inc (1700 gas guz, 695 6-sp, and 890 for myGIG multimedia sys w/GPS)
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V6 models:
mustang $20,530-$22,530 vs challenger $21,995-$24,790
V8 models:
mustang $27,220-$35,375 vs challenger $29,995-$44,325
IMO, it's reasonable to guess the following based on Camaro pricing "being in line" with Mustang and Challenger:
V6 Camaro 22 min to 26 loaded
V8 Camaro 33 min to 39 loaded since there is no intermediate V8, just the 400+ hp LS3 or L99