First 2010 Camaro SS 1/4 mile pass by owner
04-24-2009 | 04:28 AM
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Having said that its a pretty cool video, and I am jelous.
04-24-2009 | 06:48 AM
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This guy sucks *****....
i'd be the last one to try to defend the car, i think its a pig regardless. But i guess i'm defending huh...
one run...a worthless 60ft.....with an 'almost' trap speed. He couldn't launch the car and his shifts were average at best.
i'd be the last one to try to defend the car, i think its a pig regardless. But i guess i'm defending huh...
one run...a worthless 60ft.....with an 'almost' trap speed. He couldn't launch the car and his shifts were average at best.
04-24-2009 | 08:01 AM
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Ok, hang on a second here, the guy running the Camaro owns/works at a performance shop??? 
Then you'd THINK he's used to running way more powerful cars than a "measely" ~426 HP 2010 Camaro SS?! 
If you've done ANY drag racing, and driven the car you're about to drag race AT ALL, any "competent driver" SHOULD be able to do better than a ~13.6 @ 108!?!?
That's pretty f'n lame if you ask me, so I'll throw the 
at it too. If this were just some Joe Blow-Bought-a-Camaro, I'd forgive them. But a guy who works at a shop? C'mon. If I were around performance cars all day, every day, I'd damn well know how to drive them better than that! (fact is, I'm not, yet I HAVE driven WAY better than that!)
Also, did the guy only do ONE single run? Not even a second "make-up" run??
Hmmm. Who goes to the strip and does ONE crappy run and walks away?
And for the record, Mr. 97z28/m6 ran a 13.75 in a bone-stock '97 Z28, not 13.8 ... I was there to witness it . So really, the 2010 "only" ran ~.15 seconds faster!
Then you'd THINK he's used to running way more powerful cars than a "measely" ~426 HP 2010 Camaro SS?! If you've done ANY drag racing, and driven the car you're about to drag race AT ALL, any "competent driver" SHOULD be able to do better than a ~13.6 @ 108!?!?
That's pretty f'n lame if you ask me, so I'll throw the at it too. If this were just some Joe Blow-Bought-a-Camaro, I'd forgive them. But a guy who works at a shop? C'mon. If I were around performance cars all day, every day, I'd damn well know how to drive them better than that! (fact is, I'm not, yet I HAVE driven WAY better than that!)Also, did the guy only do ONE single run? Not even a second "make-up" run??
Hmmm. Who goes to the strip and does ONE crappy run and walks away? And for the record, Mr.
97z28/m6 ran a 13.75 in a bone-stock '97 Z28, not 13.8 ... I was there to witness it . So really, the 2010 "only" ran ~.15 seconds faster!
04-24-2009 | 08:08 AM
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04-24-2009 | 10:30 AM
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With that horrible 60 ft, there is no doubt in my mind that the mph suffered dramatically too. Probably some mph & ET lost in the relatively low-rpm shifting too.
IMHO, the cars will be comparable in 1/4 mile performance to a stock 03/04 Cobra. In other words, many or most will be low 13 second cars at 109-110 mph. Quite a few will run high 12s @ 110-112 mph. Really good drivers in really good conditions at really good tracks will get down into the mid 12s at ~113-114 mph.
And BTW....my 98 Cobra went 13.6 bone stock, so my 12 year old 305 HP car is just as quick as the new 422 HP 5th Gen.
Neener neener neener.
IMHO, the cars will be comparable in 1/4 mile performance to a stock 03/04 Cobra. In other words, many or most will be low 13 second cars at 109-110 mph. Quite a few will run high 12s @ 110-112 mph. Really good drivers in really good conditions at really good tracks will get down into the mid 12s at ~113-114 mph.
And BTW....my 98 Cobra went 13.6 bone stock, so my 12 year old 305 HP car is just as quick as the new 422 HP 5th Gen.
Neener neener neener.
04-24-2009 | 10:45 AM
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I'm not sure what any hubub is over this...
2.3 60 foot? Further bench racing is ludricrous at best.
The guy might be a great driver and short shifting a brand new engines isn't all that bad an idea. Find me a person that hasn't blown a launch in an unfamiliar car... At least he took it to the strip rather than the street.
There may also be a slight possibility that the improvements after "tuning" will look more drastic. I tend to see this as a pitch for "upgrades" from a tuner, based on the source of the video.
I'm not a drag racer, but from what I understand, if the nose drops at launch it's a "bog" and thus not the best of passes. It holds true for roadracing, so I don't know why drag racing would be any different.
The shifts sounded 500rpm short to my ear... Hanging in, particularly for third, a bit longer should result in better thrust at the traps...
That level of burnout on street compound radials is useless. High speed street radials are compounded to shed heat very quickly...
2.3 60 foot? Further bench racing is ludricrous at best.
The guy might be a great driver and short shifting a brand new engines isn't all that bad an idea. Find me a person that hasn't blown a launch in an unfamiliar car... At least he took it to the strip rather than the street.
There may also be a slight possibility that the improvements after "tuning" will look more drastic. I tend to see this as a pitch for "upgrades" from a tuner, based on the source of the video.
I'm not a drag racer, but from what I understand, if the nose drops at launch it's a "bog" and thus not the best of passes. It holds true for roadracing, so I don't know why drag racing would be any different.
The shifts sounded 500rpm short to my ear... Hanging in, particularly for third, a bit longer should result in better thrust at the traps...
That level of burnout on street compound radials is useless. High speed street radials are compounded to shed heat very quickly...
04-24-2009 | 10:52 AM
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With that horrible 60 ft, there is no doubt in my mind that the mph suffered dramatically too. Probably some mph & ET lost in the relatively low-rpm shifting too.
IMHO, the cars will be comparable in 1/4 mile performance to a stock 03/04 Cobra. In other words, many or most will be low 13 second cars at 109-110 mph. Quite a few will run high 12s @ 110-112 mph. Really good drivers in really good conditions at really good tracks will get down into the mid 12s at ~113-114 mph.
And BTW....my 98 Cobra went 13.6 bone stock, so my 12 year old 305 HP car is just as quick as the new 422 HP 5th Gen.
Neener neener neener.
IMHO, the cars will be comparable in 1/4 mile performance to a stock 03/04 Cobra. In other words, many or most will be low 13 second cars at 109-110 mph. Quite a few will run high 12s @ 110-112 mph. Really good drivers in really good conditions at really good tracks will get down into the mid 12s at ~113-114 mph.
And BTW....my 98 Cobra went 13.6 bone stock, so my 12 year old 305 HP car is just as quick as the new 422 HP 5th Gen.
Neener neener neener.
04-24-2009 | 10:55 AM
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I'm not sure what any hubub is over this...
2.3 60 foot? Further bench racing is ludricrous at best.
The guy might be a great driver and short shifting a brand new engines isn't all that bad an idea. Find me a person that hasn't blown a launch in an unfamiliar car... At least he took it to the strip rather than the street.
There may also be a slight possibility that the improvements after "tuning" will look more drastic. I tend to see this as a pitch for "upgrades" from a tuner, based on the source of the video.
I'm not a drag racer, but from what I understand, if the nose drops at launch it's a "bog" and thus not the best of passes. It holds true for roadracing, so I don't know why drag racing would be any different.
The shifts sounded 500rpm short to my ear... Hanging in, particularly for third, a bit longer should result in better thrust at the traps...
That level of burnout on street compound radials is useless. High speed street radials are compounded to shed heat very quickly...
2.3 60 foot? Further bench racing is ludricrous at best.
The guy might be a great driver and short shifting a brand new engines isn't all that bad an idea. Find me a person that hasn't blown a launch in an unfamiliar car... At least he took it to the strip rather than the street.
There may also be a slight possibility that the improvements after "tuning" will look more drastic. I tend to see this as a pitch for "upgrades" from a tuner, based on the source of the video.
I'm not a drag racer, but from what I understand, if the nose drops at launch it's a "bog" and thus not the best of passes. It holds true for roadracing, so I don't know why drag racing would be any different.
The shifts sounded 500rpm short to my ear... Hanging in, particularly for third, a bit longer should result in better thrust at the traps...
That level of burnout on street compound radials is useless. High speed street radials are compounded to shed heat very quickly...
04-24-2009 | 12:31 PM
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).Generally, you run right up to redline, which is always a few hundred RPM above HP peak, because when you shift, it brings the RPMs back down into the power band between TQ peak and HP peak.
The LS3 is "rated" 426 HP @ 6000 RPM, I believe. The redline is set at 6600 RPM. Thus, you would not want to shift AT 6000 RPM, but somewhere between that and 6600.
Even the LS1, which peaked at ~5600 or 5700 RPM, still redlined over 6000 RPM, and I've always taken it right to the max (heck, I have my rev-limiter bumped to ~6500 RPM from the factory 6200 RPM limit, and I take it all the way
).Clearly, the run in question here left LOTS on the table
. Even if he bombed the launch (which he clearly did) he didn't have to blow the rest of the run by short-shifting. Talk about setting themselves up for success in future!
04-24-2009 | 12:42 PM
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Peak HP is never AT redline, but you never shift AT your peak HP point (well, unless there is a HUGE power band between TQ peak and HP peak? ).
Generally, you run right up to redline, which is always a few hundred RPM above HP peak, because when you shift, it brings the RPMs back down into the power band between TQ peak and HP peak.
The LS3 is "rated" 426 HP @ 6000 RPM, I believe. The redline is set at 6600 RPM. Thus, you would not want to shift AT 6000 RPM, but somewhere between that and 6600.
Even the LS1, which peaked at ~5600 or 5700 RPM, still redlined over 6000 RPM, and I've always taken it right to the max (heck, I have my rev-limiter bumped to ~6500 RPM from the factory 6200 RPM limit, and I take it all the way ).
Clearly, the run in question here left LOTS on the table. Even if he bombed the launch (which he clearly did) he didn't have to blow the rest of the run by short-shifting. Talk about setting themselves up for success in future!
).Generally, you run right up to redline, which is always a few hundred RPM above HP peak, because when you shift, it brings the RPMs back down into the power band between TQ peak and HP peak.
The LS3 is "rated" 426 HP @ 6000 RPM, I believe. The redline is set at 6600 RPM. Thus, you would not want to shift AT 6000 RPM, but somewhere between that and 6600.
Even the LS1, which peaked at ~5600 or 5700 RPM, still redlined over 6000 RPM, and I've always taken it right to the max (heck, I have my rev-limiter bumped to ~6500 RPM from the factory 6200 RPM limit, and I take it all the way
).Clearly, the run in question here left LOTS on the table
. Even if he bombed the launch (which he clearly did) he didn't have to blow the rest of the run by short-shifting. Talk about setting themselves up for success in future!He would have obviously shaved some time and gained some MPH if he shifted the LS3 at 6600 and if he would have gotten a better 60'. He may have needed to go to HRP to accomplish the second part though
04-24-2009 | 01:00 PM
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I don't think anyone thinks this is a good run. But none the less the first one on youtube. Nobody thought the dyno run was very good either but still the first.
We can agree the guy driving made some mistakes and maybe even sandbagged a bit because of who owns the car and what their intentions probably are.
But make no mistake there will be lots of these types of runs seen on t'n't days because drag racing and especially on tall low profile street tires isn't easy.
We can agree the guy driving made some mistakes and maybe even sandbagged a bit because of who owns the car and what their intentions probably are.
But make no mistake there will be lots of these types of runs seen on t'n't days because drag racing and especially on tall low profile street tires isn't easy.
04-24-2009 | 01:26 PM
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With that horrible 60 ft, there is no doubt in my mind that the mph suffered dramatically too. Probably some mph & ET lost in the relatively low-rpm shifting too.
IMHO, the cars will be comparable in 1/4 mile performance to a stock 03/04 Cobra. In other words, many or most will be low 13 second cars at 109-110 mph. Quite a few will run high 12s @ 110-112 mph. Really good drivers in really good conditions at really good tracks will get down into the mid 12s at ~113-114 mph.
And BTW....my 98 Cobra went 13.6 bone stock, so my 12 year old 305 HP car is just as quick as the new 422 HP 5th Gen.
Neener neener neener.
IMHO, the cars will be comparable in 1/4 mile performance to a stock 03/04 Cobra. In other words, many or most will be low 13 second cars at 109-110 mph. Quite a few will run high 12s @ 110-112 mph. Really good drivers in really good conditions at really good tracks will get down into the mid 12s at ~113-114 mph.
And BTW....my 98 Cobra went 13.6 bone stock, so my 12 year old 305 HP car is just as quick as the new 422 HP 5th Gen.
Neener neener neener.
Do you recall your 60 foot Bob?2.00? 1.9x?
04-24-2009 | 02:50 PM
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Here is a dyno graph from an LS3 Corvette. The red lines are from the stock baseline run. It appears that the power peak is right around 6000 rpm.
Some people say that for optimal times, you should shift at the power peak, and that should drop you down to the torque peak. I think that's a load of crap. Horsepower is horsepower, and you want to maximize the area under the curve. IMO, with a car with a dyno graph like the one above, you should run it right up to the 6600 rpm redline.