First 2010 Camaro SS 1/4 mile pass by owner
#92
I put all this info into the speed calculator @ http://f-body.org/gears/
Watching the video and comparing the speed shown vs that calculator will let you know that he did shift right around 6000 in each gear.
That calculator shows that 3rd gear can be held until 112MPH, so I have a feeling that GM's engineers set this car up to run the best in the quarter mile without needing a shift to 4th in stock trim. That's kind of like how they set up the Z06 to not require a shift before 60mph
I also put it into DragSim. At 4050 pounds and on its most conservative level (.25seconds per shift @6k) it still ran a 13.10@110.8 with a 2.55 sixty foot. When set to a professional driver with .100 second shifts @6500 it ran a 12.43@114.1 with a 2.07 sixty foot time. Changing to stickier tires drops that to 11.99@114.6 with a 1.90 sixty foot. I was guesstimating a lot though.
Watching the video and comparing the speed shown vs that calculator will let you know that he did shift right around 6000 in each gear.
That calculator shows that 3rd gear can be held until 112MPH, so I have a feeling that GM's engineers set this car up to run the best in the quarter mile without needing a shift to 4th in stock trim. That's kind of like how they set up the Z06 to not require a shift before 60mph
I also put it into DragSim. At 4050 pounds and on its most conservative level (.25seconds per shift @6k) it still ran a 13.10@110.8 with a 2.55 sixty foot. When set to a professional driver with .100 second shifts @6500 it ran a 12.43@114.1 with a 2.07 sixty foot time. Changing to stickier tires drops that to 11.99@114.6 with a 1.90 sixty foot. I was guesstimating a lot though.
#93
Guesstimating is not a real word!!! Language police! Language police!!!
In all seriousness, thanks for that info . I was curious how the gearing was going to work out with the taller tires and modest 3.45 rear gear. Clearly, a set of 4.10's and sticky tires will do WONDERS for the car .
..... and shifting QUICKLY, above 6000 RPM .
In all seriousness, thanks for that info . I was curious how the gearing was going to work out with the taller tires and modest 3.45 rear gear. Clearly, a set of 4.10's and sticky tires will do WONDERS for the car .
..... and shifting QUICKLY, above 6000 RPM .
#94
I put all this info into the speed calculator @ http://f-body.org/gears/
Watching the video and comparing the speed shown vs that calculator will let you know that he did shift right around 6000 in each gear.
That calculator shows that 3rd gear can be held until 112MPH, so I have a feeling that GM's engineers set this car up to run the best in the quarter mile without needing a shift to 4th in stock trim. That's kind of like how they set up the Z06 to not require a shift before 60mph
Watching the video and comparing the speed shown vs that calculator will let you know that he did shift right around 6000 in each gear.
That calculator shows that 3rd gear can be held until 112MPH, so I have a feeling that GM's engineers set this car up to run the best in the quarter mile without needing a shift to 4th in stock trim. That's kind of like how they set up the Z06 to not require a shift before 60mph
I definitely think GM worked hard on this car to get it to run the number. I personally don't like the choice of gears from a drag racing perspective but I think they put in more work that they probably did on the 4th Gens when it came to 0-60 and 1/4 mile acceleration. When you think about the fine line between bettering the performance of the current competition and getting the gas mileage numbers while maintaining the large wheel diameter for style and moving the high curb weight it was really well done.
#95
What does that have to do with HPE's lazy quarter mile run? Oh, right, nothing. GM's published time is 12.9 @ 111, which is faster (MPH) than anybody has ever gotten out of a bone-stock LS1 4th gen, and quicker (ET) than the vast majority. It's certainly a lot faster than HPE managed. Magazine testers, so far, have managed a best time of 13.0, but I assure you that GM's drivers have had more time behind the wheel than Car and Driver's have.
Edit: I stand corrected....it was 13.0. I thought it was around 12.8 for some reason.....I'll keep looking, but you are correct Robb.
Last edited by ACE1252; 04-30-2009 at 05:41 PM.
#96
With that horrible 60 ft, there is no doubt in my mind that the mph suffered dramatically too. Probably some mph & ET lost in the relatively low-rpm shifting too.
IMHO, the cars will be comparable in 1/4 mile performance to a stock 03/04 Cobra. In other words, many or most will be low 13 second cars at 109-110 mph. Quite a few will run high 12s @ 110-112 mph. Really good drivers in really good conditions at really good tracks will get down into the mid 12s at ~113-114 mph.
And BTW....my 98 Cobra went 13.6 bone stock, so my 12 year old 305 HP car is just as quick as the new 422 HP 5th Gen.
Neener neener neener.
IMHO, the cars will be comparable in 1/4 mile performance to a stock 03/04 Cobra. In other words, many or most will be low 13 second cars at 109-110 mph. Quite a few will run high 12s @ 110-112 mph. Really good drivers in really good conditions at really good tracks will get down into the mid 12s at ~113-114 mph.
And BTW....my 98 Cobra went 13.6 bone stock, so my 12 year old 305 HP car is just as quick as the new 422 HP 5th Gen.
Neener neener neener.
#97
Your close. Evan Smith of MM&FF a sister publication to GMHTP drove the famed 1999 Z28 6M to a 12.89 at Atco raceway in very good cold air. He then backed it up in a 2001 SS 6M to a 12.96 in far hotter conditions at ETown.
#99
That is completely in agreement with what I said: 12.9 @ 111 is faster than all, and quicker than nearly all known stock LS1 4th gen timeslips.
That GMHTP run is the only sub-13-second run I've ever heard of on a bone-stock LS1 car. It's far from the norm.
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