Forget Z/28 vs. SS...Here's an alternative lineup idea
02-22-2008 | 12:15 AM
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Heh, with a hydraulic roller valvetrain made to go 100k plus miles? www.notgonnahappen.com
IMO the best you'd probably see would be a 7k redline (and I doubt that given the expensive hardware GM used in the LS7).
IMO the best you'd probably see would be a 7k redline (and I doubt that given the expensive hardware GM used in the LS7).
02-22-2008 | 12:36 AM
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Ask and you shall receive. See this thread as proof the LS3 will power the2009 G8 GXP;
https://www.camaroz28.com/forums/sho...d.php?t=580964
Next, everyone needs to quit playing GM accountant. And everyone needs to quit equating hp and engine to cost in these non-hand built super Vette engines. Give me a solid reason why the LS3 should cost more than the L76? I'll save everyone the time there isn't one.
I don't know what has happened since the F-body's demise in 2002 but somehow people think that the Vette engine is now too expensive and powerful for the Camaro. This is the evolution of the LS1 that was the only V8 option in all all of our F-bodies from '98 - 02. Let’s go back further the L98 and LT1 were also shared in the Vette and F-body. The LS2 was in the GTO/C6 and if the Camaro/Firebird survived it would have powered them. All were equally as powerful and expensive for their day as the LS3 is today.
Did GM care that the LS1 was 350hp when Fords strongest offering in 1998 was 305hp. Did they care that the GTO got a 400hp engine in 2004. Why would they care, and more importantly why should we care, if a Camaro that they've openly stated will outgun the competition in all categories would get a 430hp engine in 2010.
https://www.camaroz28.com/forums/sho...d.php?t=580964
Next, everyone needs to quit playing GM accountant. And everyone needs to quit equating hp and engine to cost in these non-hand built super Vette engines. Give me a solid reason why the LS3 should cost more than the L76? I'll save everyone the time there isn't one.
I don't know what has happened since the F-body's demise in 2002 but somehow people think that the Vette engine is now too expensive and powerful for the Camaro. This is the evolution of the LS1 that was the only V8 option in all all of our F-bodies from '98 - 02. Let’s go back further the L98 and LT1 were also shared in the Vette and F-body. The LS2 was in the GTO/C6 and if the Camaro/Firebird survived it would have powered them. All were equally as powerful and expensive for their day as the LS3 is today.
Did GM care that the LS1 was 350hp when Fords strongest offering in 1998 was 305hp. Did they care that the GTO got a 400hp engine in 2004. Why would they care, and more importantly why should we care, if a Camaro that they've openly stated will outgun the competition in all categories would get a 430hp engine in 2010.
02-22-2008 | 12:48 AM
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Ask and you shall receive. See this thread as proof the LS3 will power the2009 G8 GXP;
https://www.camaroz28.com/forums/sho...d.php?t=580964
Next, everyone needs to quit playing GM accountant. And everyone needs to quit equating hp and engine to cost in these non-hand built super Vette engines. Give me a solid reason why the LS3 should cost more than the L76? I'll save everyone the time there isn't one.
I don't know what has happened since the F-body's demise in 2002 but somehow people think that the Vette engine is now too expensive and powerful for the Camaro. This is the evolution of the LS1 that was the only V8 option in all all of our F-bodies from '98 - 02. Let’s go back further the L98 and LT1 were also shared in the Vette and F-body. The LS2 was in the GTO/C6 and if the Camaro/Firebird survived it would have powered them. All were equally as powerful and expensive for their day as the LS3 is today.
Did GM care that the LS1 was 350hp when Fords strongest offering in 1998 was 305hp. Did they care that the GTO got a 400hp engine in 2004. Why would they care, and more importantly why should we care, if a Camaro that they've openly stated will outgun the competition in all categories would get a 430hp engine in 2010.
https://www.camaroz28.com/forums/sho...d.php?t=580964
Next, everyone needs to quit playing GM accountant. And everyone needs to quit equating hp and engine to cost in these non-hand built super Vette engines. Give me a solid reason why the LS3 should cost more than the L76? I'll save everyone the time there isn't one.
I don't know what has happened since the F-body's demise in 2002 but somehow people think that the Vette engine is now too expensive and powerful for the Camaro. This is the evolution of the LS1 that was the only V8 option in all all of our F-bodies from '98 - 02. Let’s go back further the L98 and LT1 were also shared in the Vette and F-body. The LS2 was in the GTO/C6 and if the Camaro/Firebird survived it would have powered them. All were equally as powerful and expensive for their day as the LS3 is today.
Did GM care that the LS1 was 350hp when Fords strongest offering in 1998 was 305hp. Did they care that the GTO got a 400hp engine in 2004. Why would they care, and more importantly why should we care, if a Camaro that they've openly stated will outgun the competition in all categories would get a 430hp engine in 2010.
02-22-2008 | 01:06 AM
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02-22-2008 | 01:16 AM
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Originally Posted by bossco:
Heh, with a hydraulic roller valvetrain made to go 100k plus miles? www.notgonnahappen.com
IMO the best you'd probably see would be a 7k redline (and I doubt that given the expensive hardware GM used in the LS7).
Heh, with a hydraulic roller valvetrain made to go 100k plus miles? www.notgonnahappen.com
IMO the best you'd probably see would be a 7k redline (and I doubt that given the expensive hardware GM used in the LS7).
Maybe a variant of Northstar DNA could materialize? Something more oversquared, with 4valves/cyl?
02-22-2008 | 03:57 AM
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a solid reason is it's already being used in the Zeta platform and to compete with the mustang, it doesnt need the LS3. and all the cars you listed, in some degree, failed. it may be possible as an expensive option (not $40,000+), but i seriously doubt as the entry level v8. and as i said before, they obviously care, otherwise the G8 would have the LS3 as its base v8 as well if it were truly no difference to them.
Not to mention the LS2 is also being used on Holdens Zeta's.
Our only difference is you don't think the LS3 will be the base V8 and if used in the Camaro won't be cheap.
I think GM will use it as the base V8 and have it power a few types of Camaros excluding the top performance model. I just don't see the need to certify more V8's than they need to. GM has gone down this road before. Guess we'll find out later this year.
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02-22-2008 | 06:22 AM
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I could have swore that my 90 Iroc Convertible had a dash plaque that said IROC Z28. I could be wrong, it's been about 15 years since I had the car. Was there a difference between an IROC and a IROC Z? (as in Z28)
And I admit I mispoke, I completely forgot the V8 3rd Gen RS's.
And I admit I mispoke, I completely forgot the V8 3rd Gen RS's.
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02-22-2008 | 08:26 AM
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02-22-2008 | 11:31 AM
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02-22-2008 | 12:49 PM
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I asked Scott to go back to the old RPO format for F5 where the SS and Z/28 are their own specific models.
02-22-2008 | 01:01 PM
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02-22-2008 | 01:12 PM
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Read my quote again. They weren't production cars. They were COPOs with a special engine package. You couldn't walk into just any Chevy dealer and order a ZL1. You had to go through one of the handful of dealerships that sold them. They basically took SS-396s and set them up with the standard 427 iron block package, but substitued in the ZL1 aluminum 427. Only 69 were built and they sold for twice the price of the iron block 427 COPO Camaros. Hardly production level numbers and prices.
02-22-2008 | 01:30 PM
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there was no "z28" package per say in 88-89. z28 was still the rpo code but they were all badged as iroc's
02-22-2008 | 01:37 PM
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