Full electric version option
05-10-2007 | 08:36 PM
#31
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Im an electronics junkie, and I could see myself wanting to mod an electric car versus a V8. You could make that thing go stupid fast with the right electric motors. I would have that thing built up to where no gas powered street legal car could touch it. Hell, I just might think about this some more......
Plus how awesome would it be to never have to worry about gas prices.
Plus how awesome would it be to never have to worry about gas prices.
05-10-2007 | 09:10 PM
#32
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I think this market segment is going to be covered by the Chevy Volt if GM is going to cover it at all.
It would take a somewhat substantial redesign to make the 5th gen an electric vehicle that people would actually want to live with...
I'm a little amused, though, at the general ignorance towards electric motors...
Total range, the time it takes to recharge the battery, and to a lesser extent, top speed, are the only factors where a traditional gas motor has a clear-cut advantage.
With electric, you can have the torque curve basically however you want it.
peak torque at 0.000000000000001 rpm? No problem, as long as it's greater than zero.
http://youtube.com/watch?v=G32E4li3xHI
If a hobbyist in his garage can set up an electric rx7 to out-accellerate a viper, then I imagine GM could offer a performance-oriented version of the Volt that would make you rethink your pre-concieved notions about electrically powered cars.
It would take a somewhat substantial redesign to make the 5th gen an electric vehicle that people would actually want to live with...
I'm a little amused, though, at the general ignorance towards electric motors...
Total range, the time it takes to recharge the battery, and to a lesser extent, top speed, are the only factors where a traditional gas motor has a clear-cut advantage.
With electric, you can have the torque curve basically however you want it.
peak torque at 0.000000000000001 rpm? No problem, as long as it's greater than zero.
http://youtube.com/watch?v=G32E4li3xHI
If a hobbyist in his garage can set up an electric rx7 to out-accellerate a viper, then I imagine GM could offer a performance-oriented version of the Volt that would make you rethink your pre-concieved notions about electrically powered cars.
05-27-2007 | 05:23 PM
#34
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I have two issues with an electric camaro (or any plug in car for that matter.)
1. How much will my electric bill go up by charging the car everynight? I spend $65-$75 a week on gas. If my electric bill goes up any more than that, then I would have a hard time buying one.
2. The energy that powers the car needs to come from somewhere. Instead of gas emissions from the car, there will be pollution from the coal burning power plant. The consumer is just moving the source of the pollution from their car to someone else's power plant just to make them feel better.
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1. How much will my electric bill go up by charging the car everynight? I spend $65-$75 a week on gas. If my electric bill goes up any more than that, then I would have a hard time buying one.
2. The energy that powers the car needs to come from somewhere. Instead of gas emissions from the car, there will be pollution from the coal burning power plant. The consumer is just moving the source of the pollution from their car to someone else's power plant just to make them feel better.
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2) Yes this is an oft cited problem, however, ICE's have an efficiency of roughly 35% whereas coal fired plants can exceed 50% and cogens are even more efficient. Now there is some loss in converting the AC from the house to DC that comes out of the batteries but this should be less then 15%. And there are alternative forms of energy that can be used to supplement the increased power demand of recharging batteries.
05-28-2007 | 02:29 PM
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So have any of you engaged in a serious conversation with Detroit regarding your feelings about an electric option? or a hybrid? I've been a thorn in the side of my dealer for years now asking. I'm just curious if there's actually any awareness on the part of the manufacturer that the serious collector would want to have this option.
05-28-2007 | 02:40 PM
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I have two issues with an electric camaro (or any plug in car for that matter.)
1. How much will my electric bill go up by charging the car everynight? I spend $65-$75 a week on gas. If my electric bill goes up any more than that, then I would have a hard time buying one.
2. The energy that powers the car needs to come from somewhere. Instead of gas emissions from the car, there will be pollution from the coal burning power plant. The consumer is just moving the source of the pollution from their car to someone else's power plant just to make them feel better.
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1. How much will my electric bill go up by charging the car everynight? I spend $65-$75 a week on gas. If my electric bill goes up any more than that, then I would have a hard time buying one.
2. The energy that powers the car needs to come from somewhere. Instead of gas emissions from the car, there will be pollution from the coal burning power plant. The consumer is just moving the source of the pollution from their car to someone else's power plant just to make them feel better.
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2. True. Unless you get your power from a Nuclear/wind/solar plant.
Electric cars are more effeicent. Which means they can be made to go faster. As a rule, they handle better. Because they have the ability to put the weight.(batteries) where-ever allowing for a better weight ratio.
To answer the OCs questions. If the eletric camaro was close in 60ft time. (maybe .2 second) and 1/4 time. (maybe .5 second) and had a range of about 200 miles in the vert. I would buy it as long as it was resonabliy priced.
Edit: Just like to add that I know that the an Electric camaro would require a complete redesign and isnt a probability.
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05-29-2007 | 12:46 AM
#37
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So have any of you engaged in a serious conversation with Detroit regarding your feelings about an electric option? or a hybrid? I've been a thorn in the side of my dealer for years now asking. I'm just curious if there's actually any awareness on the part of the manufacturer that the serious collector would want to have this option.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/General_Motors_EV1
There's a documentary that was made last year that tells the story on this car. It's called "Who Killed the Electric Car?" It happens to be showing on the cable movie channels, (HBO, Cinemax), right now. If you see it while flipping through the channels, watch it. Interesting stuff.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Who_Kil...lectric_Car%3F
We may not have the technology to put a 500hp electric motor under the hood of a Camaro currently, be we do have the technology to build a car that will get us from point A to point B in the daily grind from Monday through Friday. And we can still enjoy our gas guzzling V8's on the weekend.
Baby steps....
06-05-2007 | 06:35 PM
#38
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Did you see the low mph (100 or 108 I couldn't tell)? I think that would be a bit boring. My turbo camaro on a bad run did 12.0 @ 120mph. I can drive 300miles on a tank of gas and be refilled and ready to go in 5 minutes after I get a soda. Sorry, electric cars have a long way to go.
06-06-2007 | 12:09 AM
#39
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There is just one thing that electric cars will NEVER be able to duplicate -- the sound of the V8 rumbling to life or running up to redline.
Sure, I would consider (probably even prefer) an electric or hybrid car as a primary vehicle. But not from a Camaro.
The point of a Camaro (to me) is the emotion of driving a big, powerful, fuel-burning, explosion-making car.
Sure, they could probably make an electric version out perform a gas burning alternative in the near future. That doesn't mean it would be as fun to drive though (well, at least not for me).
Now, having an electric or hybrid option I think would be a great place to start, for those that want the best of both worlds.
Sure, I would consider (probably even prefer) an electric or hybrid car as a primary vehicle. But not from a Camaro.
The point of a Camaro (to me) is the emotion of driving a big, powerful, fuel-burning, explosion-making car.
Sure, they could probably make an electric version out perform a gas burning alternative in the near future. That doesn't mean it would be as fun to drive though (well, at least not for me).
Now, having an electric or hybrid option I think would be a great place to start, for those that want the best of both worlds.
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