amen to this thread


GM needs to be forced to hear these sort of things. They have a history and until they break that history babysitting is required.

LSA needs to be forged, period.

All the drama is supported

 

i do understand that the forged piston should be in the motor. but i dont understand the dispute of the motor in the "z28" that isnt even produced or anounced for production. right now the fight should be against forged pistons in the next cts-v motor and ZR1. because thats where the motor is. its not in the camaro.

 

In order to validate the product and certify for emissions and fuel economy prior to start of regular production, and if they plan for cast pistons at this moment in time, they're already probably too late.

I'm guessing 2 years on normal timing to validate a powertrain.

So, if the 2012 car is to have the LSA, and forged pistons are to be in that motor, they better be validating it now.

If not, then we sure as heck better make enough noise about it (no pun intended) to ensure it happens for the 2013 cars.


Waiting until the car hits the press as a mule, or launches for SORP is far, far too late to bring the subject up.

They are going to have to validate and certify the LSA WITH or WITHOUT forged pistons in the Camaro. If they do it without, it is:

1) Stupid beyond measure.

2) A waste of money if they wake up and smell the coffee later and try to switch over to forged slugs after the backlash about grenading motors begins.

 

Just picture it.

Joe Camaro lines up, on Friday night "run what ya brung," in his new Z28. He is excited. After all, he just paid his $48 large, for the biggest, baddest Camaro out there. Just to make sure that he can kill all comers, he bumps up the boost.

Fred Mustang lines up next to Joe Camaro. His GT500 is seeing its first night out, with a tuner and increased boost. He is anxious to dial it in and see what it does. He is especially interested to see how he does against GM's latest and greatest, next to him.

The lights turn, both cars shoot out of the hole !!!!

In a puff of smoke, it is all over. The GT500 trips the lights with a decent run. Fred Mustang is pleased, but knows that he has to get better with his newfound power. Joe Camaro is on the verge of tears. Just past the 60 foot lights, his engine blew. All the rumors he had heard, of the engine being close to maxed out, must be true. Why would GM do this to him???

Disclaimer: This is an imaginary scenerio based on what we know at this time.

 

its actually a post based on what you always do. go hang out on a ford site.

 

Since 2012 will mark the 45th anniversary of the Z/28 (and Camaro), how about GM dropping in a heritage cross-ram 302 small block?



j/k

 

Guy, I didn't say that. The LS7 would be a far more economical approach than the LSA.

All I was implying is that if GM were to be in a confrontation with Ford's forced induction engines (i.e. Camaro vs Mustang) the cupboard would be bare for GM on that front unless GM chooses to go with the LS9 for Camaro.

Personally, I think an LS7 'Track Pack' Camaro would appease the interests of the vocal few who do actually race the GM product... as they keep telling us they don't need more power, just a stripped-out track weapon from the factory.

 

Now this is a thread that needs forwarding to the Camaro Team. Anyone?

 

Heh, one thing is for sure and that is; Owners wont be able to look to much upgrade since the stock power is about all the stock pistons will want, lol.

 

Joe could always remind Fred that his engine is cheaper to replace than Fred's hood.

 

http://www.fordracingparts.com/parts...tKeyField=9569
http://dagostinoracing.com/index.php...ducts_id=12331

You're thinking of the aftermarket GT500 from Shelby, not the regular GT500 from Svt/Ford. Feel sorry for those owners. I wonder what their insurance $$$ are.

 

well concider yourself too late. ive already heard alot of talk that over a year ago, there was a supercharged motor in a test mule. not to mention all the production cars that already have this exact same motor in it. but complain all you want you still dont even know that this motor is what is going into the car or that the car is even coming out. it might be a 7.0 or a DI 6.2

 

well if joe camaro bumps up his boost, he probably voided his warranty and its on him to fix it. gm doesnt give a crap at this point.

 

Well if Joe Camaro did bump up his boost, he'd also go to the trouble of making sure the engine is also capable of taking the extra thrust. He'd have forgies in there already!

But let's not turn some person's dream into a nightmare...

 

No offense, but I think you're a bit out of touch here. I think the point is completely escaping both of you actually.

GT500 guys can install a smaller pulley in a 1/2 hour and increase performance significantly without having to tear apart the motor. Why would we not want the same kind of convenience in the Camaro? Don't you think a non-grenading motor under simple modifications would be a selling point within the enthusiast community? Possibly? That's the point here.

You guys say GM "doesn't/shouldn't care" if people modify their engines for more performance since it kisses the warranty goodbye anyway - but that's a pi$$-poor attitude to have when Ford entices enthusiasts by offering forged internals straight from the factory for their blown monster.