GM: Help keep new Camaro price down, make Onstar an option
04-24-2007 | 12:47 AM
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GM made a promise to put OnStar and stabilitrac in all vehicles as standard by 07 or 08?
I think it will just be cheaper for GM to intergrate the electronics on the OnStar system and share it across the Zeta board.
I think it will just be cheaper for GM to intergrate the electronics on the OnStar system and share it across the Zeta board.
04-24-2007 | 07:49 AM
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04-24-2007 | 11:37 AM
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They only care about you if you pay the subscription fee. You get your first year, and thats it. You can chose to go foward, or decide not to do it.
IMO, I think it would be a good idea for GM to keep the accident notification on all the time, despite subscription, as a basic saftey thing. I dont know if OnStar can handle that kind of load of keeping an eye on all the cars with Onstart, but if its possible, it would benift them in the long run as a saftey aid.
IMO, I think it would be a good idea for GM to keep the accident notification on all the time, despite subscription, as a basic saftey thing. I dont know if OnStar can handle that kind of load of keeping an eye on all the cars with Onstart, but if its possible, it would benift them in the long run as a saftey aid.
04-27-2007 | 11:41 AM
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The only way that could be possible is if On Star used satellites instead of line of sight cell networks. If that were the case, every car would have a satellite dish on the roof. So to answer your question, no, there will be pockets accross the country where On Star will not work.
I've had Verizon for almost two years, and I will say on their behalf they do have the best network I've ever used, and I've had a cell phone since 1999. I first had the old AT&T wireless which was awfull. Then when they switched to Cingular they droped me (long story), so I switched to Sprint which was even worse. I droped them and went with Verizon simply because most of my friends and family had them and you get unlimited minutes in network. I have never had a call drop, could always make or receive a call no matter where I was (I do alot of traveling), and the quality has been crystal clear. I will remain a Verizon customer.
HOWEVER, that does not guarantee that the phone works in the bottom of the Grand Canyon or at the highest peaks of the Rockies or in the middle of Montana. For any cell phone to work there must be a line of sight signal antenna somewhere within a couple of mile radius of where you are located. On Star is no different than any CDMA Verizon cell phone.
I've had Verizon for almost two years, and I will say on their behalf they do have the best network I've ever used, and I've had a cell phone since 1999. I first had the old AT&T wireless which was awfull. Then when they switched to Cingular they droped me (long story), so I switched to Sprint which was even worse. I droped them and went with Verizon simply because most of my friends and family had them and you get unlimited minutes in network. I have never had a call drop, could always make or receive a call no matter where I was (I do alot of traveling), and the quality has been crystal clear. I will remain a Verizon customer.
HOWEVER, that does not guarantee that the phone works in the bottom of the Grand Canyon or at the highest peaks of the Rockies or in the middle of Montana. For any cell phone to work there must be a line of sight signal antenna somewhere within a couple of mile radius of where you are located. On Star is no different than any CDMA Verizon cell phone.
CDMA has around 60 million users worldwide, compared to GSM which has over a billion, now who has the largest network Verizon? HAHAHAAHAH
Maybe if cell phone companies here in the US didn't stick to an inferior CDMA network we would have some 3G or Edge support here in the states. For all of you travellers out there, that would mean you can hook up your laptop to your cell phone and have broadband internet anywhere you get signal.
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04-27-2007 | 02:50 PM
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HOWEVER, that does not guarantee that the phone works in the bottom of the Grand Canyon or at the highest peaks of the Rockies or in the middle of Montana. For any cell phone to work there must be a line of sight signal antenna somewhere within a couple of mile radius of where you are located. On Star is no different than any CDMA Verizon cell phone.
As for coverage, Verizon is generally better on the east coast, Cingular on the west coast. CDMA I believe has slightly longer range than GSM, but you are stuck with a crappy US-only phone that only works with one provider.
2.5G/3G is really a separate issue -- Sprint probably has the largest high-speed network and they are CDMA.
04-27-2007 | 03:05 PM
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i dont care what they put on it.. more the better... as long as its affordable 
why not make it technically superior also? why you guys want to keep the camaro in the 90s ( as long as its affordable)
and you want to know why we have a red neck lable...
why not make it technically superior also? why you guys want to keep the camaro in the 90s ( as long as its affordable)and you want to know why we have a red neck lable...
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04-27-2007 | 08:50 PM
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Correct me if I'm wrong, but OnStar still does Analog fallback if there's no digital signal. That will get you significantly more range over a digital-only handset. (At least until next year when they turn analog off.)
As for coverage, Verizon is generally better on the east coast, Cingular on the west coast. CDMA I believe has slightly longer range than GSM, but you are stuck with a crappy US-only phone that only works with one provider.
2.5G/3G is really a separate issue -- Sprint probably has the largest high-speed network and they are CDMA.
As for coverage, Verizon is generally better on the east coast, Cingular on the west coast. CDMA I believe has slightly longer range than GSM, but you are stuck with a crappy US-only phone that only works with one provider.
2.5G/3G is really a separate issue -- Sprint probably has the largest high-speed network and they are CDMA.
04-28-2007 | 02:28 AM
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Stability control doesn't help performance. It just makes it less likely to get screwed in some dumbass maneuver. ABS is debatable. Given a racecar driver, I would say it doesn't help at all, but despite what everyone believes about themselves, not everyone is a racecar driver, so ABS is probably a good thing.
04-28-2007 | 06:49 AM
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Stability control doesn't help performance. It just makes it less likely to get screwed in some dumbass maneuver. ABS is debatable. Given a racecar driver, I would say it doesn't help at all, but despite what everyone believes about themselves, not everyone is a racecar driver, so ABS is probably a good thing.
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04-28-2007 | 11:46 AM
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I have been in situations where ABS has helped a lot. I believe my post stated ABS was a good idea, so I don't know what you are trying to prove with your post.
A good racecar driver can outbrake an ABS system with a technique called Threshold Braking. Maybe that is where your confusion is? ABS isn't designed necessarily to reduce braking distances (although by default it often will), it is designed to be able to give the driver control under a panic stop. ABS should be on every passenger car sold.
A good racecar driver can outbrake an ABS system with a technique called Threshold Braking. Maybe that is where your confusion is? ABS isn't designed necessarily to reduce braking distances (although by default it often will), it is designed to be able to give the driver control under a panic stop. ABS should be on every passenger car sold.
04-28-2007 | 01:28 PM
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I have been in situations where ABS has helped a lot. I believe my post stated ABS was a good idea, so I don't know what you are trying to prove with your post.
A good racecar driver can outbrake an ABS system with a technique called Threshold Braking. Maybe that is where your confusion is? ABS isn't designed necessarily to reduce braking distances (although by default it often will), it is designed to be able to give the driver control under a panic stop. ABS should be on every passenger car sold.
A good racecar driver can outbrake an ABS system with a technique called Threshold Braking. Maybe that is where your confusion is? ABS isn't designed necessarily to reduce braking distances (although by default it often will), it is designed to be able to give the driver control under a panic stop. ABS should be on every passenger car sold.
04-28-2007 | 03:14 PM
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But then I can't remember the last time it snowed in FL. However, I can personally attest to the wonders of ABS in the rain!! The thing that really causes issues with my braking is the damn traction control. My brake pedal drops to the floor for no reason when the 'low trac' light comes on causing the car to lurch forward. I think it's more dangerous than helpfull and I am suprised it hasn't caused a serious accident yet. Did newer F-bodies have this problem too? I certainly hope it isn't an issue on the new one.
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