Hot dog! Another item on the wish list granted!

 

Going back to the V6 issue. I don't mind a V6 Camaro as long as the put a decent rear gear in the drivetrain to make up for the lack of power.
The 3.8 liter v6 put out 200 HP at the crank..( It would have been nice if GM would have put the L67-SC3.8 in the V6 Fbody) Personal experience, it stunk with a 3.08 gear and still needs a more gear at 3.23..

The standard gear for a V6 camaro should be 3.42 limited-slip. With a car the will probably weight close to 4k pounds, that is the only way to keep the "sporty" factor and have a V6.

When I had a 3rd gen I was unfortunate to have a 2.8 liter with a 2.73 rear.. that was a Dog...
I was always looking for the 4 cyl camaros and their 4.10 rear end...

 

Rear gear doesn't matter, what matters is OVERALL gearing.
What I'd really like to see is a 6spd man/auto option for the V6, that would help with giving it more initial punch but keeping the highway gearing available too. Although I never minded the 5 spd with 3.23's in my 2000 Camaro.

The 3.8 V6 auto's actually did have 3.42's available.

Chris

 

BUT WHERE ANY OF THEM "NEW" F-BODIES?

I had my first F-body at 19... and I paid the insurance on it as well. However I couldn't afford the insurance on a new Z28 when I was 25, so I waited for the next discount break at 30.

 

Ditto. Just like the urban legend that if you drive your pick-up truck with the tailgate down, you'll get better gas mileage. Every time I see people doing this I crack up.

Note: Anyone that believes this myth, needs to catch out the episode of Mythbusters where they proved that driving with the tailgate down actually hurts your fuel mileage.

 

You wanna hear a crazy insurance story, Im 23 and insurance is cheaper on a C5 Vette than it was on my 04 Hyundai Tiburon. Go Figure.

 

I really do not care if they start to put DOD on the 5th gen, actually...if it does show up on the camaro it will definatly help sales.

...But I really hope that it is either an option or is in seperate performance package. Because personally, if I get a top end ls2 powered 'maro and I dont have the option for 'NO DOD' then I might have to just build the '02. I know DOD is great on suv's, and for people looking for fuel economy, but I want performance and nothing else.

Its kinda like EGR or the Secondary air systems. They are great pieces of technology, and help keep emissions down. But they are annoying and (egr) can sometimes steal some power.

Fry

 

none were new. the first chance i had at a new Camaro was 98, and i didn't like the redesign, so i got a 20K mile used 93. and since i was 19, i've had at least 2(pick-up for dirt bikes) vehicles on the road at the same time which has cost me more than one new car ever could have. trust me, my insurance has been insane up until i switched companies last year.

 

I doubt if it's offered that there would be an option not to have it. Take CAGS for example. Granted it saved the gas guzzler tax, so in essence it was a money saving option, but it also helped CAFE too.

Just like CAGs though, I'd imagine you could tune DOD out of you really wanted to. And if you're going to build the car you'll need a tune anyway.

 

You might also have to get it re-certified because it might technically be a different engine.
I would hope (and expect) there to be a 3.9 DOD and a 5.3 DOD.

 

The reason the GTO isn't a huge seller is NOT because it is only offered with a V8. It's because the appearance does not appeal to enough people. I've TRIED to love it, I just can't. Love the lump under the hood though.

 

I can't agree more.

 

My friend, you are WAAAAAY off. You aren't even in the stadium!

Why?

Holden can't make any more than 18,000 GTO's per year. last I checked, GTO was averaging just about 16,000. Hardly a great deal off.

Also, GTO being a V8, no optioned car DOES affect it's appeal. Compare it to the other premium American performance coupe, the Mustang Cobra. Ford didn't sell more than 13,000 Cobras (2003) or 9000 Mach1s (any year).

GTO appeals very well to the target market, and is selling very well in the company it's running.

If anything, the problem is GM over estimated how many GTOs it would sell or even more likely GM couldn't/wouldn't rein in dealers who scalped the living daylights out of the car (up to $10,000 on a $32,000 car) for most of it's 1st year.

 

I agree with what some others have said about the V6 model:
It needs to make modest power (220-250hp) on REGULAR.

 

I'm not only "in the stadium" I'm a season ticket holder
I watched a show on SpeedTV featuring GTO's and according to the GTO Club of America, the MAIN reason the car wasn't selling to GTO fans is because the car just didn't "get thier goat" so to speak. What A GTO used to represent was performance in a light appealing bodied car. Well the new GTO looks incredibly ORDINARY at best. I have to admit that the freshened up looks of the 05/06 GTO is a huge improvement, but to that average schmo on the street seeing one going down the road will NOT know it's a GTO let alone a muscle car. Only and enthusiest will know what it is. Hell even Grand Am's had hood scoops. I'm not dis'n, I just think (and have heard from Goat lovers) that the car does not represent what the GTO is supposed to stand for. Hot performance wrapped in a Look At Me package. And the GTO failed on that. But thank GOD it's there.