GM's main camaro target is V-6 and fuel econ
#1
GM's main camaro target is V-6 and fuel econ
I was checking Buisnessweek and i stumbled apon this...
http://www.businessweek.com/autos/au...dont_call.html
http://www.businessweek.com/autos/au...dont_call.html
General Motors, eager to flog its reputation as a green company, has a slight problem. One of its most high-profile new cars will be the Chevrolet Camaro coming out next year. With its muscle car heritage and optional V-8 engine, the Camaro is hardly the statement of green, high-tech modernism that every carmaker is trying to broadcast these days. Ditto for the Dodge Challenger, which Chrysler showed at the New York Auto Show today. Arguably, both cars say that these companies are stuck in the late ’60s and early ’70s.
GM thinks it has a solution. Just don’t call the Camaro a muscle car. Mark LaNeve, GM-North America’s vice president of sales and marketing, says he wants to advertise the car’s sporty ride and handling, bold styling and (get this) its fuel economy when Chevrolet launches the car next year. When equipped with a V-6 engine, the car should get about 28 miles per gallon on the highway, La Neve says. “We won’t position it as a muscle car,” he says. “The mainstream positioning will be fuel economy, design and a V-6.”
That will require a real sales job. But Chevy has no choice. GM’s biggest-selling division has to transcend its roots as a maker of performance cars like the Corvette, big trucks and NASCAR. Otherwise today’s car buyers, now looking more and more for gas sippers, will drive right on by. Today, Chevy buyers say fuel economy is the third qualification on their list for buying a car. A couple years ago it was 8th or 9th, says Brent Dewar, GM-North America Vice President of sales, service and parts. GM is trying to gain some green cred with marketing chops like its “Gas-Friendly, Gas-Free” campaign, which touts GM’s foray into technologies like ethanol-powered engines, hybrids and its research into hydrogen fuel cells. “It’s a marketing challenge when you make a paradigm change,” Dewar says. The same could be said for marketing a fuel-efficient Camaro.
GM thinks it has a solution. Just don’t call the Camaro a muscle car. Mark LaNeve, GM-North America’s vice president of sales and marketing, says he wants to advertise the car’s sporty ride and handling, bold styling and (get this) its fuel economy when Chevrolet launches the car next year. When equipped with a V-6 engine, the car should get about 28 miles per gallon on the highway, La Neve says. “We won’t position it as a muscle car,” he says. “The mainstream positioning will be fuel economy, design and a V-6.”
That will require a real sales job. But Chevy has no choice. GM’s biggest-selling division has to transcend its roots as a maker of performance cars like the Corvette, big trucks and NASCAR. Otherwise today’s car buyers, now looking more and more for gas sippers, will drive right on by. Today, Chevy buyers say fuel economy is the third qualification on their list for buying a car. A couple years ago it was 8th or 9th, says Brent Dewar, GM-North America Vice President of sales, service and parts. GM is trying to gain some green cred with marketing chops like its “Gas-Friendly, Gas-Free” campaign, which touts GM’s foray into technologies like ethanol-powered engines, hybrids and its research into hydrogen fuel cells. “It’s a marketing challenge when you make a paradigm change,” Dewar says. The same could be said for marketing a fuel-efficient Camaro.
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WTF is the deal anyway??? The V8 manual cars will get upper 20's in the mpg anyway...Not like the camry and accord V6's are getting 50...We're talking 5 measly points here...There must be somethin can be done?
#4
In all honesty, this is a great idea. They need to push teh V6, not ony for fuel economy but for its image. They need to take the V6 and say this car will perform the best out of any V6 performance coupe, and be more affordable then the rest while getting better gas milage. This is what Camaro needs!! We as Enthusiasts know that the V8 will be ***** out fast, but the V6 image is what needs the support.
#5
Big AL is right on the money. What we are seeing here is a statement about MARKETING and not necessarily about PRODUCTION. Who cares what they call it? I don't believe that this will have any effect on the performance minded person, only benefit to the "I just want a fun car that is sporty looking while being economical" crowd. In my mind, this is a good thing and is exactly what the car needs.
Here is an example...
The SS version of the Traiblazer is one of the baddest SUVs made, and it is not even close to being marketed as a "performance vehicle" as much of a "family vehicle" or just a regular SUV.
The car has to appeal to a wide audience and this will ensure it for sales and vehicle line longevity. If Chevrolet markets Camaro to JUST the performance ONLY crowd, it will fail.
Here is an example...
The SS version of the Traiblazer is one of the baddest SUVs made, and it is not even close to being marketed as a "performance vehicle" as much of a "family vehicle" or just a regular SUV.
The car has to appeal to a wide audience and this will ensure it for sales and vehicle line longevity. If Chevrolet markets Camaro to JUST the performance ONLY crowd, it will fail.
#6
Big AL is right on the money. What we are seeing here is a statement about MARKETING and not necessarily about PRODUCTION. Who cares what they call it? I don't believe that this will have any effect on the performance minded person, only benefit to the "I just want a fun car that is sporty looking while being economical" crowd. In my mind, this is a good thing and is exactly what the car needs.
#8
And if they referred to a Mustang as a "Super Awesome Muscle Sports Dot Com XL Plus Extreme Car" and it had a screaming 200 horsepower, then what? That is all we are talking about...how they will market the non-V8 version.
#10
Anyway, as soon as GM finds a motor, or a transmission, or a combination of the two to get the Camaro to 25+ mileage in the city, that is when it can be considered, fuel efficient and crap. Against the Mustang it's better already, but the far east has potent econo cars which will get the nod for "perceived" higher quality.
Sportyness is something Nissan has pushed, Lexus would be just Buick if it didn't have performance in their luxury vehicles which people adore for some reason...
Mazda may not be a good example, but they have sporty vehicles. From the 3 to the 6 and of course the 5. Not so stellar when compared to segment leaders, but that's why they're not segment leaders. According to their ads they are more fun than a Corolla. Like a Honda, but with soul.
Once GM engineers get their heads out of their asses and design a powerful/economic v6, wether it be dohc, sibc, or having AFM, when can start sighs of releif.
By the way, why doesn't GM have a variable valve timing and lift design for any of it's engines? Cause it would make too much sense.
#12
Not a V8 version of a "Green, Enviromentally safe, I take it up the *** by tree huggers" car.
#13
I've been saying for a while how the right V6 in this car will open the doors of Chevy dealers to people who would otherwise never even consider the Camaro (or a GM vehicle period). The Nissan Altima 3.5 SE, Honda Accord EX V6, and BMW 1-Series are all coupes that would otherwise eat the Camaro sales wise if GM put one of their lower tech, less economical V6s in it as was initially planed (I think the first thoughts were to use the 3500).
The Monte Carlo got eaten alive in sales by the Honda and Nissan coupes for many reasons, not the lease of which those cars offered better fuel economy and better performance.
If anyone has ever driven an Altima 3.5 with a 6 speed stick or an Accord 3.5 with a 6 speed stick you know what I mean.
This is a great move by GM. The V6 is aimed at import people and folks who want to be more green, and the rest of us can still get our ***** to the floor V8 muscle (even though GM isn't going to call it a "muscle car" )
The Monte Carlo got eaten alive in sales by the Honda and Nissan coupes for many reasons, not the lease of which those cars offered better fuel economy and better performance.
If anyone has ever driven an Altima 3.5 with a 6 speed stick or an Accord 3.5 with a 6 speed stick you know what I mean.
This is a great move by GM. The V6 is aimed at import people and folks who want to be more green, and the rest of us can still get our ***** to the floor V8 muscle (even though GM isn't going to call it a "muscle car" )
Last edited by fastball; 03-22-2008 at 02:39 PM.
#15
Smart. The last gen was pushed as a muscle car, and where did it get them? The car guys know what it is. It has to be desirable to all sorts of people. Let's face it , the clueless media thinks these cars get the same mileage they got in the 60's, and that everything from Japan gets 50 miles a gallon. If it gets 30 on the highway, tell the people. If it gets 5 star crash rating, tell the people.