We talked about this in CamaroZ28.Com Podcast #237. Have a listen!

 

It's just one mans opinion folks.

Opinions will vary from person to person.

Besides, it's all about how YOU feel about the car anyway.

 

Not really saying anything either way. I was asked if I knew that the car wouldn't accelerate with the trunk and hood up. Let me paint the picture here...

This particular 2010 SS is strapped to an in-ground chassis dyno. The new engine is being tuned first, then the nitrous. The guys are heating the nitrous bottle outside of the car and then bolting it in its bracket in the trunk.

That's how the scenario of hood-and-trunk open came about.

 

Intresting scenerio.

But if anyone is doing something to blow the factory warranty out of the water by doing something to the engine and sending nitros through the engine that the onboard computer will notice in a millisecond, I kinda doubt bypassing a electronic interlock keeping acceleration runs from happening with the trunk and hood open will be much of an issue. Just an opinion.

That's why the opinion of those who are neutral or even somewhat critical of a car is far more important than those who are blind enthusiasts. Blind enthusiast opinions are the equvilent of having a "Yes" man telling one whatever one wants to hear. It creates a fantasy world where nothing gets better.... while the rest of the world improves, and leaves you behind.

Also important to realize that the coupe market is perhaps the most highly competitive market segment around. The total size of the coupe market is finite due to the limited use nature of the sporty coupe. It doesn't haul much stuff. It doesn't carry many passengers (and in most instances, barley carries anyone save a front seat passenger). It doesn't have 4 doors therefore doesn't have easy access to the back seat (or child seats). Most all of the population when faced with a stark choice involving years of not-insignificant monthly payments will tend to choose the most practical thing that also sparks enthusiasm and value for their money. Typically, that's going to be a good performing sedan or cross over far and away more than a 2 door rear drive coupe.

When you do get a non-rabid-enthusiast into a V6 Camaro, Mustang, or Challenger, those are the people who make the V8 versions possible. Without them, all 3 cars are D-E-A-D.

Those are the people you have to make sure the interior materials are the best. The seats are the best. That the car makes a convincing case on it's own merits without having to resort to a heavy hitting V8. If you can make a top drawer sports coupe without having to hide behind a V8 top model, then you surely have something. A V8 should simply be icing on a cake for the enthusiasts.

It doesn't take much reach to get a praise about a particular car on it's own website. But to think that small world is big enough should be checked for memory problems because 4th gen Camaro enthusiasts lived in their own universe... right through years of crashing sales and burial in the graveyard followed by many years of attempting to get the car back on the road.

One can continue to excuse the interior materials in a day when Mustangs and Challengers even have soft touch surfaces much like Infinitis and BMWs. Or criticize opinions on seats or other issues with the car when those items aren't issues in other competitors. But then one also should ask themselves "Do I want Camaro to be competitive in the market, or do I simply want to continue being a cheerleader for what we have now even though everyone else has moved on?".


The styling that are currently driving Camaro's sales isn't going to drive it's sales forever.

The all new Mustang design is well underway.

The Dodge Challenger is getting styling tweaks and a revised interior within the next 24 months.

Toyota is working on a low cost, rear drive sporty coupe.

The Hyundai Genesis coupe is only going to improve within the next couple of years.

Anyone advocating that the current Camaro is good enough is not doing the Camaro... or the future of the Camaro... any favors.

 

With regard to the Brembos, could it be that because the car is a little more "beefy", stopping power doesn't seem more impressive than say an LS1 4th Gen but they are necessary just to maintain that level of performance?

I'm not a Brembo-hugger per se, just throwing that out there...

 

Yeah. They are good brakes, but to be realistic, the energy required to stop is proportional to the mass or the square of velocity so of course it takes more braking power to stop a 5th Gen in the same amount of space as a 4th gen. That said, the LS1 Fcar brakes are actually pretty good stock, except that the gravity cast front calipers spread after repeated track use and it has maybe a little too much rear bias built in. Just bolting the C5/C6 calipers to the front of a 4th gen gives you a pretty competent street/track setup.

 

And people like you (Gion) who keep criticizing the interior are a repetitive refrain... Sure you make some good points....that have been written and re-written in different forms for months... but overall the car is a fantastic value performance package. I can chisel down and criticize the Stang as well but I think most people on this site dont care. Your criticisms of the Camaro have been repeated and repeated and repeated by many people who have driven the car for" a test drive" or sat in it in the "showroom" or at a "car show" or rented the car for a few days. I have owned the car since June 3rd , 2009. Vin #6046. The car has a baked in quality and feel that is impossible to describe. I dont see a lot of owners jumping on your bandwagon and I do see 100,000 cars have been produced. They will all find pretty damned happy owners. The interior is tight ON PURPOSE(styling )....the Plastic Panels in the door inserts are there FOR A REASON...the seats are maybe a bit wider than an EVO or a Genesis for a REASON...seen the average american these days??
The gages are perfect, the Boston accoustics is phenomenal, The sunroof works as precribed, the shifter is a litle stiff and clunky as most muscle cars are NOT civics...There was no talk in your refrain about the details on the car that GM got so right....
1/cool switchblade key that once you turn you dont have to hold to start engine
2/ Some of the coolest looking wheels on any car currently available
3/ Full seam coverage on inside of doors against rustproofing
4/ windows that crack a bit to close door because the thing is so tight then close once door is closed....
5/ world class chassis engineering with well sorted out IRS....without a doubt one of the nicest set ups on any coupe in the industry
6/ Good on center feel on steering...very precise turn in at speed ...hooks like glue to fantastic OEM tire package....
8/ good support on base of seat as many competitors seats are short
9/ beefy build in trunk that makes for small opening but massive strenght in back if you get hit
10/ Fabulous headlights that dont annoy drivers on low beam as many do
11/ a BIT quieter exhaust than other muscle cars but throaty as hell once you hit it....makes for nice hwy cruising and happier neighbors at 7am
12/ agressive chopped window treatment which gives the car a completely unique look and YES you get used to them fast.
13/ Great brakes yes.,...they stop beautifully (although I am still cheesed about the wheel weight calipers)
14/ Nice gages, simple to use and natural feeling, a fabulous wheel with unique form on rim that fits hand like a glove
15/ great interior lighting at night bordering on VW/AUDI level
16/ built in massive Pin in each door meant to help survivability in the buckling of a side door in a good direct side impact
17/ one of the neatest shifters I have ever used. Shape is so well thought of you will wonder why nobody ever did it before...


and on and on and on ....and dont get me started on the deep engineering on the showroom floor in an LS3.....

yeah...I am a believer ...yeah...I am convinced that GM nailed it out of the park and happily deal with a "slightly" lesser grade of dash plastic that one never notices after 30 seconds behind the wheel to have the most complete perfromance car package of any coupe on the market.

They could of done more....competitors will come after it....but for now My Camaro 2SS/RS 6 speed is one sweet well thought of , beautifully crafted muscle car/Performance coupe and one amazing value for the loonie and best of all....Its a CAMARO and I have absolutely no interest in the 5.0liter or big as house looking Challenger.

Big trunk in that Challenger? Who the hell cares? Yuk.

Cheers. Go GM ...keep building these beauties....

 

Let's be courteous, everyone. We're all friends here and as long as our comments are in hopes of making the car better, we can easily respect the opinions we disagree with.

 

One has to wonder why the engineers decided the car did not need to accelerate in those conditions. Maybe from keeping a child from messing around while the trunk is being loaded?


FWIW Warranty is a null-n-void issue with this particular car

 

They could just rig the trunk latch so it thinks it is shut

 

The 2010 Camaro is a great looking car with some awesome powertrains and transmissions. It however is also Heavy, the interior quality/ergonomics are bad and the IRS argument is no longer superior to the "old" SRA in the 2010-11 Mustang just take a look at any magazine test with hard numbers. However more importantly it's people like you who will hold the Camaro back from getting even better, that's if GM only listened to your praises and nothing more. It's people like (Gion) and the thousand's of others who have brought up real issues that will make GM change for the better. It doesn't matter if I sit in the car at an auto show, test drive one from a dealer/rental agency or own one. What matter's is what I see, touch and experience first hand and in comparison to other cars it's competing against. Owning one will tell me no differently, the cheap interior isn't going to transform into something better overnight.

The 2010 Camaro SS/V6 did give the 2010 Mustang quite a significant shove to the side per say and Ford turned around and woke up to the challenge with the 2011 Mustang GT/V6. The 2011 Camaro Im sure will be even better then the 2010.

When it all comes down to it though whether built by Ford, GM or Chrysler it's great to know that even today we still have the choice of buying a Pony/Muscle car. These muscle cars are the best of everything today.

 

^^^Amen!

 

I am glad I am not the only one who thinks the Camaro with a sunroof has a lack of head room...

 

people like me and thousands of others who are BUYING the car and BUYING GM parts and service could hardly be seen as "holding GM back"....100,000 people have bought cars....we are buying cause we believe in the fun and value of the new Camaro....plain and simple...decisions on this car were made years ago and I am sure decisions are being made to improve on some of the things that many people have mentioned...but it wont happen in one model year...all the ballyhoo about the tight windows, roof, visibility is a huge part of the car's appeal...100,000 people did not have any interest in a genesis or Mustang...why? cause the Camaro is a world class competitive car for now...plain and simple...I did not say perfect...I said competitive...and for most Chevrolet enthusiast and many crossing over trading their mustangs and celicas we say. WELCOME. You will adore your new Camaro.