Oh well by all means let me answer to your curiosity.
As I'm sure you have followed along on the endless weight debates it's obvious that there is no real info fueling the debate. Speculation is just fine but the debate today looks and sounds just like it did 6 months ago or a year. The previous debate ended in name calling and a pissing match. This one has spiraled into a semantic issue in the weight range and where 50lbs fits into that and how much the 2 rear G8 doors weigh... etc. It's between the same posters and each has their own opinion and has not wavered from it. Nor would I expect them too as there isn't any solid evidence to persuade anyone yet. There is nothing wrong with open speculation and quite interesting to read the opinions of others but we both know that’s not usually how it goes. I chose the word useless as to question how much real or valuable info is being gained in the thread. Time wasting is your words.

This quote always comes to mind. “The definition of insanity is doing the same thing over and over and expecting different results.”

 

Uh, ya. Glad you cleared that up. All the hairs are now officially split.

And for being useless, people sure are posting a lot.

 

Are you really serious? I knew arguing with you was like talking to a cold brick wall but this is beyond comprehension.....

 

If you would list the top 10 things that killed the last car - rear seat legroom wouldn't even make the list.

 

Yes! Even by those who consider it useless.

 

Just disregard the iraqi information minister. Baghdad is not under attack, 3650 is not within 3600-3700, the halos on those guages is most assuredly not blue, console guages and retro interiors are great, only 6 people in the whole world dislike them, and they all post here under mutliple aliases to make the polls show anywhere from 1/3 to 2/3 of people dislike them, weight does not matter nearly as much as a torque guage, the american media and rock and roll music have brainwashed you all...

 

I'd like to compare lists then....because I must respectfully disagree....


I'd consider lack of rear legroom as important to the more casual Camaro shopper as a hump in the floor...or low seating position...lack of bad weather traction, etc....

Believe it or not, a lot of people who asked me about the many Camaros I've driven made the same (however unfounded) comments about these kinds of Camaro "faults".

 

An interesting bit of side-information:

The G37 Coupe is 100+ pounds heavier than the G37 sedan.

The body was strengthened for more sporting duty and extra reinforcements more than offset the deletion of the 2 rear doors.

Just because the camaro is a 2 door instead of a 4 door doesn't mean it'll magically lose 200+ pounds. Some very serious overhauling of the chassis would be needed for that. The Challenger weighs the same as the 4-doors built on the same chassis....

I trust Fbodyfather that the car will be lighter. And I trust him that it's going to perform very well. How much lighter, though, is very much up in the air (IMHO). Chevy would have had to spend TONS of money on extra engineering and high-cost low weight materials to get the camaro much under the G8. I hope they did....

 

I see. It's useless, but still well worth the time to read it and chide people about it being useless. So then it must be entertaining or have some other redeeming quality. Would that not make it not useless?

Like practicing until you actually are able to do whatever it is you're practicing?

Out of context, that quote is useless.

Yes, this subthread is silly, but also amusing, and therefore, not useless.

 

Okay Doug, here goes.

If the last car didn't have....

1) Stale styling, 2) ridiculous overall length, 3) massive overhangs, 4) horrendous interior, 5) ugliest steering wheel in autodom, 6) plastic body panels with sloppy fit, 7) ghastly wheels, 8) longest doors in the biz, 9) iconic model relegated to unappealing base V8 status, 10) and okay, the hump.......no one would have given a poo about rear leg room.

 

Useless in the idea that we don't have anymore info about the Camaro weight than we did before this or any of the other "weight" threads started. We could all have speculated the 5th Gen Camaro would weigh somewhere between 3000 and 4000lbs when GM announced the car was going to be produced in 2006. We knew the Zeta has some weight tendencies and we had the Holden’s and now the G8 to weigh. As for the Camaro it's all just speculation. We don't know what engines the car will have, fuel tank size, or even what the production headlights will look like.
Nobody here wants a heavy Camaro, the lighter the better. I’m sure we all agree on that. I'm also sure GM had a curb weight target but we won't know if they made it or not. They are not likely to console us at the unveiling that they missed their target by 200lbs.
At least with the interior complaints there were spy pics to look at. I think it's only fair to hold the final judgment until the production car. But on this weight topic we don't even have that much info.
I'm all for a long debate when someone gets some leaked info on the curb weight or when the production Camaro is unveiled this Sept. But what real info on the topic has been gained in all of this?


We could take most lines out of context and I would suspect all could be seen as useless to someone. The quote I listed is fairly well known among the mainstream public and if you don't know the meaning it’s not my job to explain it to you. Lots of weight threads with no real factual info gained. If you have found this sub-thread amusing then great. Here is another quote; "Ignorance is bliss”.

 

Actually, we know more about whether people would want a 3500 pounds Mustang or 4000 pound Camaro. We also know (not really a surprise) that there was an aggressive weight target (considering the starting point), and it's missing that.

Plus we got to shoot the breeze and compare info.

Whatever. Your 'useless' is my 'interesting'.

 

I'd say it's much more than pure speculation. Maybe we don't have all the facts, but we have enough connected dots to flesh out with discussion.

Am I wrong, or was it you who was pitching the same, "stop discussing this" line when all the interior pics came out?

 

Do you know the curb weight of the 2010 Camaro?

I felt it was better to pass judgement on the production interior rather than the spy pics.

 

I take it this is your top 10 4th Gen Camaro complaints list. The scientific terminology gave it away.... and the Z28 gripe.