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Old 09-12-2006 | 05:09 PM
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How Oshawa got the camaro?

This has been going around my father's work (he works at the spring hill plant) and he sent it to me.

How Oshawa Landed the Camaro Automotive News

By Jamie LaReau

Aug. 28, 2006

DETROIT - You could say that UAW workers at General Motors' Oklahoma City plant lost their shot to build the Chevrolet Camaro by two minutes. And GM won by 120 more vehicles a month.

As a result, the nearly 6,000 Canadian Auto Workers at the Oshawa, Ontario, plant walk away with their livelihoods.

GM will get 30 minutes more production a week at its three-shift Oshawa plant in exchange for the chance to build the Camaro, GM and union sources say. That translates to an additional 120 vehicles a month. GM product czar Bob Lutz has said GM expects to sell 100,000 Camaros annually.

CAW hourly employees gave up two minutes of paid break time per eight-hour shift, among other concessions, to win the chance to build the new muscle car. Last week, GM said it would begin building the Camaro in Oshawa in late 2008.

On the morning of Feb. 9, CAW President Buzz Hargrove and Local 222 President Chris Buckley boarded an airplane for Detroit to meet with GM executives. It was to be a routine update meeting.

This time Hargrove and Buckley had their own agenda, though.

The men knew full well that GM had targeted Oshawa's Line No. 2 as one of
12 facilities it would close by 2008.

"During the meeting, I raised the issue that we're looking for product for plant No. 2 in Oshawa, and the Camaro would be a perfect fit," Buckley says. "I told them we've proven we can produce a product better than anyone in the industry."

The J.D. Power and Associates Initial Quality Study ranked Oshawa Line 2 as having the highest quality in North America for 2005. Another influential industry study, the Harbour Report, ranks Oshawa Line 2 as the second-best plant in North America for productivity.

But Buckley knew quality alone wouldn't be enough to get a new product. "It was no time to roll the dice with thousands of our members' futures," he says.

Buckley saw an opportunity to offer GM a compelling business case, in the form of giving up some jobs and some benefits to ultimately save nearly
6,000 jobs.

Buckley had GM's attention.

To win the Camaro for Oshawa, Ontario, Plant 2, the CAW agreed to Give up 2 minutes of break time per 8-hour shift. Eliminate 200 CAW members in skilled construction trades at the plant. Workers will not be replaced once they retire. Cease to represent housecleaning employees. About 500 employees who retire or take a restructuring benefits package will not be replaced.

Just three days after that meeting, GM agreed to begin discussions with CAW leaders in Oshawa, Buckley says.

The CAW began work with a GM Canada team headed by Michael Grimaldi, then president of GM Canada and now CEO of GM Daewoo Auto & Technology Co. in South Korea, and a GM corporate team assembled by Gary Cowger, GM's group vice president of global manufacturing and labor relations.

"At the time, when the business case was being pulled together at GM to build the Camaro, it was pretty much known that Oshawa was the lead plant under that study," says a source inside GM close to the negotiations.

But Buckley says a GM plant in the United States also was in the running.

GM declines to name the other plant. But UAW sources say it was the Oklahoma City plant, which has been on permanent layoff since Feb. 21. The plant built the Chevrolet TrailBlazer EXT, GMC Envoy XL and Isuzu Ascender EXT SUVs.

The source inside GM says UAW Local 1999 in Oklahoma City, along with area and state officials, approached GM leaders in late March about building the car. GM met with them in Detroit in early April, but it was more as a courtesy than as a serious consideration, the source says.

"The decision to cease production in Oklahoma City back in February was final," the GM source says.

The source says the cost to convert Oklahoma City, a truck plant, to car production was too high. The source says no other UAW locals approached GM asking to build the Camaro.

Buckley says the CAW met daily with the GM teams for two weeks, going over a lengthy list of GM demands.

Buckley would not go into specifics. But he said, "We would not touch wages, benefits, pensions, paid time off - those are motherhood issues that our members have fought long and hard for, and we were not going backward on those issues."

Ultimately, the agreement that CAW members approved in early March included concessions such as trimming nonautomotive workers from union ranks. (See accompanying box.)

And it included the cut in break time. Two minutes every eight hours might not sound like a lot to the layperson, Buckley says. But to union workers it means a lot.

"Our members work whistle-to-whistle on a very repetitive assignment, and every second of relief is earned and appreciated," Buckley says.

But a UAW leader, who asked not to be named, liked the trade-off, saying, "I'd rather give up two minutes of break time than 10 cents an hour."

For GM, those extra two minutes mean two more vehicles per shift.

The UAW leader speculates that government-subsidized health care in Canada might have been a factor in GM's decision.

But the source inside GM says health care costs were a minor consideration.

GM considered several factors, says Cowger. Those included "close work with the government on an investment package and the development of a competitive labor agreement with a very supportive CAW," Cowger said in an e-mail to Automotive News.

Beyond that, Oshawa's history of ranking high in productivity and quality helped, adds the source inside GM. Says the source: "It was almost their product to lose."
I was under the impression that the camaro went to Canada because of the deal GM had with the CAW about them having to build the camaro and no one else could.
Old 09-13-2006 | 12:52 AM
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The exclusive rights to build the camaro in Canada was only until 2008 so if you bring it out as a 2009 model, everything is ok. GM still owes the Quebec governement money that was given to them to keep the plant going when they first landed the 4th gen f-body.

CAW had to vote on all these concessions which also include the GMS (Global Manufacturing System) which from what I understand changes what is expected from each employee and may include forced job rotation among other things.

With this agreement GM can also hire part time employees during product launches (such as camaro), hire outside contractors (electricians, welders etc.) to work on the flex manufacturing rather than caw members to lower costs.

We also gave concessions on health care such as co-pay coverage.

It's my understanding that GM had planned to do this in Oshawa since day 1 but wanted these concessions to reduce costs and basically told us that "The camaro was ours to lose" if we didn't vote in favor of these changes in our master agreement.

GM would also have to answer to our provincial government had they NOT chosen Oshawa since so much money was invested in the Beacon project. (New paint shop, creation of an engineering complex, university programs etc etc.)

Construction of new roads to make access to GM easier had started way before GM's final decision was announced.

It's really a multitude of reasons why oshawa was chosen. Ste-Thesere having exclusive rights to the camaro was a non-issue.
Old 09-13-2006 | 07:39 AM
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Re: How Oshawa got the camaro?

Originally Posted by LT1 PWRD
The exclusive rights to build the camaro in Canada was only until 2008 so if you bring it out as a 2009 model, everything is ok. GM still owes the Quebec governement money that was given to them to keep the plant going when they first landed the 4th gen f-body.
I thought once they tore down Ste. Thesere and provided jobs for the workers, they were released from their contract to build the Camaro where ever they wanted.
Old 09-13-2006 | 10:33 AM
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Re: How Oshawa got the camaro?

Originally Posted by Donutboy97
I thought once they tore down Ste. Thesere and provided jobs for the workers, they were released from their contract to build the Camaro where ever they wanted.
this was a key issue.
Old 09-13-2006 | 10:36 AM
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I thought they have been free from Camaro ties to Canada since mid-2005?
Old 09-13-2006 | 11:17 AM
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Re: How Oshawa got the camaro?

Originally Posted by graham
I thought they have been free from Camaro ties to Canada since mid-2005?
my understanding was once the Ste Therese plant was leveled... but again, details were always very sketchty due to the sensitive nature of that info.
Old 09-13-2006 | 06:43 PM
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GM had struck an agreement back in 92 with the CAW and the Quebec government to keep "camaro" in STE-THERESE exclusively for x amount of time (2008?).

When they finished leveling the plant in 04, the Quebec government and media were quite upset that GM had been given tons of money to keep the plant open but halted production and found no new product for that plant.

The reason why there was no camaro from 02 until 09 IS because of that agreement between GM, CAW and provincial government. Had GM built the camaro elsewhere during that time period they would have violated that agreement. They had a legal obligation to keep it there.

If the province gave money to GM and they moved the product to another province, you can just imagine the reaction.

Most workers in Ste-Therese have retired and the rest of them are here in Oshawa now.
Old 09-13-2006 | 07:32 PM
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Re: How Oshawa got the camaro?

how the heck to you control 2 minutes?

do these people punch in and out for their coffees and lunch breaks?
Old 09-13-2006 | 09:27 PM
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Originally Posted by pearlpurple
how the heck to you control 2 minutes?

do these people punch in and out for their coffees and lunch breaks?
We punch in at the start of the day and that's it. There is a buzzer that goes off to tell you it's break time and it'll go off again to tell you when it's over.

I think these reduced breaks are ridiculous. We only get 25 minutes for lunch and two 10 minute breaks as it now stands.

With the way they've increased the work load, having such small breaks throughout the day is insane.
Old 09-13-2006 | 09:31 PM
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Re: How Oshawa got the camaro?

Originally Posted by LT1 PWRD
We punch in at the start of the day and that's it. There is a buzzer that goes off to tell you it's break time and it'll go off again to tell you when it's over.

I think these reduced breaks are ridiculous. We only get 25 minutes for lunch and two 10 minute breaks as it now stands.

With the way they've increased the work load, having such small breaks throughout the day is insane.
i get 2 10 min. and one 20 min break.
Old 09-13-2006 | 09:49 PM
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Originally Posted by 97z28/m6
i get 2 10 min. and one 20 min break.
Truck plant eh?
Old 09-13-2006 | 09:50 PM
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Re: How Oshawa got the camaro?

Originally Posted by LT1 PWRD
Most workers in Ste-Therese have retired and the rest of them are here in Oshawa now.
Are there any language problems? I understood that the Ste-Therese workforce was primarily French speaking, and that many of them didn't speak much English.

Or was some English ability a prerequisite to getting the job in Oshawa.
Old 09-13-2006 | 09:58 PM
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Are there any language problems? I understood that the Ste-Therese workforce was primarily French speaking, and that many of them didn't speak much English.

Or was some English ability a prerequisite to getting the job in Oshawa.

There were some problems when they started in 2002 but the CAW had
some English courses to get em started.

I currently have 2 of them in my group and have had to translate stuff for them when dealing with management or union issues in the past.

English wasn't a prerequisite. Anyone can get by with minimal English
skills when doing these types of factory jobs.
Old 09-13-2006 | 10:29 PM
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Originally Posted by LT1 PWRD
The exclusive rights to build the camaro in Canada was only until 2008 so if you bring it out as a 2009 model, everything is ok. GM still owes the Quebec governement money that was given to them to keep the plant going when they first landed the 4th gen f-body..
No, it was the General Motors Ste. Therese Assembly Plant that had exclusive rights to build the Camaro (and Firebird), represented by The Canadian Auto Workers Union local 1163.

That agreement ended (technically) when GM stopped production of the F-bodies due to poor sales. 1163, being one of the more radical part of the CAW, could have held GM's feet to the fire and made life for them (and the national CAW leadership) more difficult as long as the plant was standing if Camaro or Firebird came back. The day the plant was razed, the agreement was dead with no chance of recovery.


I will also take this opportunity to throw ice water on this story about Oklahoma "almost" getting the Camaro. i made a reference about this plant before when someone said they were working on getting a Camaro. With all due respect for the people who work at that plant, and the symphathies regarding their shutdown, Oklahoma City had about as much chance of getting the Camaro as Ford's Flat Rock plant (home of the Mustang) did. OKC made the effort to get new product, just like every single other plant in North America that's about to be shut down would. But the choices were never really beyond Wilmington and Oshawa.

It's pointed out that no other UAW local unions approached GM to specifically build the Camaro, and as far as I can tell, that's true.

Normally, I don't throw water on Automotive News, but consider that GM was planning to use Oshawa as the facility to produce the North American Zeta. Have been since "Zeta-1" was still on the drawing board.

So, Oshawa was already targeted for North American RWD cars.

Now. Read that story again. What makes more common and business sense to you? That OKC lost because the CAW agreed to give up 2 minutes of their paid break? Or that making Camaro at Oshawa, at the same plant and perhaps on the same assembly line with other RWD "Zeta" models (as Zeta was engineered to do be able to do) using the same vendor network was far easier and cheaper than taking OKC and essentially building an entirely new plant?

Choosing Oshawa due to Canada's national health coverage makes more sense and has a far greater impact than 2 minutes of added prodiction work.

Take it from me, the story is inflated. I don't believe it's the writer's fault. I feel it's the sources that gave him this drivel.

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