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Old 02-21-2012 | 11:13 PM
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Re: Jay Leno Edition Camaro Concept Vid ...Z28 V6TT proposal debate in better detail

What about combining the suspension and handling of the 1LE Concept and the Twin Turbo and appearance of the Jay Leno Camaro? It's no doubt that the appearance accessories such as the hood and front fascia has been very popular with the 5th Gen Camaro community over the past 2-3 years. I would really like to see GM and Chevrolet to go a route that hasn't been highly explored yet. I know everybody clamors for a V8 Z28 but I just think that maybe we need to see something different, something more revolutionary in the muscle car wars instead of what some may call ...cough, cough Motortrend, Car&Driver... cough, cough... playing "catch up" against Ford. Seriously could you imagine if, and let's just say, if Chevy could step up and go toe to toe against the V8 Boss ...in a V6. That would be a an astonishing feat! Now whether to call the car a Z28 or not is always up for the debate. Maybe on the picture above I should have cationed it "Potentential as a Z28?" instead. In regards of a Z28 being a V6, I wouldn't call it a stupid idea, but rather a step towards thinking outside the box and into the future in a society that we live in with high gas prices and stupid government regulations.
Old 02-23-2012 | 11:11 AM
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Re: Jay Leno Edition Camaro Concept Vid ...Z28 V6TT proposal debate in better detail

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I'm all for a beefed up version of the 6-cylinder with either turbos or a blower. I'm not sure which pressure inducer I would prefer, but I have leaned towards the blower. I'd really like to see some drivetrain improvements (better brakes, HP suspension parts, etc) in the 6.
For me it would be a supercharger over a turbo (single or twin). I'd also want to see it tuned to run on cheap 87 octane fuel. In a perfect world, my ideal Camaro would be a 1LT/RS with the 1LE (ZL1) suspension and brakes and a supercharger. In stock trim the LFX V6 puts down 323 hp. With a less restrictive exhaust and supercharger it could easily make 400+ hp without any other modifications. That's V8 performance combined with V6 fuel economy.

A twin-turbo set-up would most likely be required to run on premium-fuel. What would be the point over the V8? For me that would be the deal breaker. The only exception being that I'd be all over a twin-turbo diesel V6 in a heartbeat.

I will agree though, the V6 is the small-block of the future. The LFX puts down amazing power while still maintaining the fuel efficiency of a V6. With gas prices creeping toward $5/gal (I saw $4.27 for 87 octane just this morning in Oakland), it seems the most logical way to go and still have a performance car.
Old 02-23-2012 | 11:40 AM
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Re: Jay Leno Edition Camaro Concept Vid ...Z28 V6TT proposal debate in better detail

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It would really make no sense to have a turbo V6 making just about the same power as the stock V8.
for the next generation it does. you never know, the only v8 avaialable may be something liek the LSA in the ZL1 and the v6 tt will be standard on a ss....you never know. the way GM is going, it seems like their pushing alot of turbo4 cylinder motors and v6 into cars now. so it makes sense to turbo a v6 as a motor in a camaro.
Old 02-23-2012 | 03:08 PM
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Re: Jay Leno Edition Camaro Concept Vid ...Z28 V6TT proposal debate in better detail

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for the next generation it does. you never know, the only v8 avaialable may be something liek the LSA in the ZL1 and the v6 tt will be standard on a ss....you never know. the way GM is going, it seems like their pushing alot of turbo4 cylinder motors and v6 into cars now. so it makes sense to turbo a v6 as a motor in a camaro.
In the future, perhaps. However, the day an affordable V8 Camaro is not available is the day I lose interest in a Camaro. I don't want a turbo V6, even if it makes more power. To me, part of the Camaro experience has always been that V8 power and sound.
Old 02-23-2012 | 06:03 PM
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Re: Jay Leno Edition Camaro Concept Vid ...Z28 V6TT proposal debate in better detail

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In the future, perhaps. However, the day an affordable V8 Camaro is not available is the day I lose interest in a Camaro. I don't want a turbo V6, even if it makes more power. To me, part of the Camaro experience has always been that V8 power and sound.
Old 02-23-2012 | 06:28 PM
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Re: Jay Leno Edition Camaro Concept Vid ...Z28 V6TT proposal debate in better detail

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In the future, perhaps. However, the day an affordable V8 Camaro is not available is the day I lose interest in a Camaro. I don't want a turbo V6, even if it makes more power. To me, part of the Camaro experience has always been that V8 power and sound.
Yup! Imagine a Ferrari or Lambo with out that trademark high pitched whine.
Old 02-23-2012 | 06:54 PM
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Yup! Imagine a Ferrari or Lambo with out that trademark high pitched whine.
Aren't the trademark Italians equipped with V-12s? Those cars sound more like F1cars and those only have four holes.

I bet I'm the oldest fogey in this thread, but my eyes are cast firmly towards the horizon -- not in my "rear-view mirror". Come on guys, get modern.

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Old 02-23-2012 | 07:23 PM
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Re: Jay Leno Edition Camaro Concept Vid ...Z28 V6TT proposal debate in better detail

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Aren't the trademark Italians equipped with V-12s? Those cars sound more like F1cars and those only have four holes.

I bet I'm the oldest fogey in this thread, but my eyes are cast firmly towards the horizon -- not in my "rear-view mirror". Come on guys, get modern.
V12's yes. My point was kinda the V12 is to the Ferrari what the V8 is to Camaro. Why cant the horizon be a V8?
Old 02-24-2012 | 08:01 AM
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Re: Jay Leno Edition Camaro Concept Vid ...Z28 V6TT proposal debate in better detail

Originally Posted by Slappy3243
In the future, perhaps. However, the day an affordable V8 Camaro is not available is the day I lose interest in a Camaro. I don't want a turbo V6, even if it makes more power. To me, part of the Camaro experience has always been that V8 power and sound.
that v8 power? like in the 70's when they were barely pushing out 180hp?....yeah there you go buddy. ill take a 400+ tt v6 and day over those powerful 70's v8's......


and the future is now...because right now, gm and every other manufacturer is working on cars for 3-5 years from now....maybe even further into the future.....so yeah. things are in the process of change. especailly over the last 10 years. look at how much has changed.

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Old 02-24-2012 | 08:02 AM
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Re: Jay Leno Edition Camaro Concept Vid ...Z28 V6TT proposal debate in better detail

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Yup! Imagine a Ferrari or Lambo with out that trademark high pitched whine.
or imagine a porsche with a v6...oh wait...or a v8...oh..wait again...or a v10...oh dammit now what was i getting at again...... and if i do recall...lambo did go to a smaller motor with a v10 for the gallardo.......
Old 02-24-2012 | 03:51 PM
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Re: Jay Leno Edition Camaro Concept Vid ...Z28 V6TT proposal debate in better detail

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that v8 power? like in the 70's when they were barely pushing out 180hp?....yeah there you go buddy. ill take a 400+ tt v6 and day over those powerful 70's v8's......


and the future is now...because right now, gm and every other manufacturer is working on cars for 3-5 years from now....maybe even further into the future.....so yeah. things are in the process of change. especailly over the last 10 years. look at how much has changed.
What are you talking about? Why are you talking about horsepower numbers from the 1970's? The year is 2012. What were the twin turbo V6 power plants making back then if you want a fair comparison? Wait, there weren't any, so the V8 was still the power king at the time. The LS3 is making 426 HP as is. I am sure GM can squeeze more power out of it and they already have I am sure with the Gen 5 V8's.
Old 02-25-2012 | 02:30 PM
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Re: Jay Leno Edition Camaro Concept Vid ...Z28 V6TT proposal debate in better detail

I have no issues with GM making a TTV6 Camaro but like others have said, it shouldn't be badged as a Z28. And...I am waiting to see what GM does with the Z28 name since I'm not that interested in an SS and a ZL1 is about 6-8k out of my price range...
Old 02-25-2012 | 02:51 PM
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Re: Jay Leno Edition Camaro Concept Vid ...Z28 V6TT proposal debate in better detail

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I have no issues with GM making a TTV6 Camaro but like others have said, it shouldn't be badged as a Z28.
Old 02-25-2012 | 11:26 PM
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I don't think the current 3.6 can handle it.....if it could, there would be reputable name companies making supercharger / Turbo kits for it....

V6'ers are waiting.....waitin g for that "special" mod.... and it has been years now.....and it hasn't came yet.
Old 02-26-2012 | 12:33 PM
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I suspect you may be right, Scotty. Leno's car had a Tremec 6-speed (according to the video) not the Aisin model in the factory V-6. I'll bet that wasn't the only driveline piece that was strengthened for 400+ horsepower.

This is exactly what I was referring to in my Podcast voicemail regarding beefed up parts. It's not just the LS engine, alone that adds $10k plus to the price of an SS over the LS or LT cars. It's those beefier underpinnings. I'm looking for a sweet midpoint between the base model and the ZL1. Then push the SS to even higher levels of performance. That should make everyone happy.
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