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Old 06-27-2008 | 11:58 AM
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GM along with its counterpart Ford has been hit big in recent months with poor sales. GM closed down countless plants and laid many of people off as well. Fuel price has killed a big part of their sales, thus the intention of 4 cylinder Camaros.

You can count on V8 Camaros not making the sales, I doubt V6 will do any better. I say this, for at $7.00 a gallon, consumer will go with 4 Cylinders. I am not very pleased with the V8s for they consume fuel very poorly with today's engine...... not good MPG is what I'm pointing at (I own a new Pontiac G8 and 2001 WS6 Tran AM parked in the garage that I'm comparing too.... I also own a 4 banger Saturn and a V8 Expedition).

If your new Camaro is not a daily driver, why bother ownership? If it's your daily driver, you will feel it emptying your pocket book at the pump. Either way, it's a loser.

I missed my 2000 Trans Am that I traded in for the G8, but quite please driving the 4 Cylinder Saturn at the moment. I only fuel up every 3 to 4 weeks.

I had big intentions to purchase the Camaro upon release, but with the current gas price, it's not worth it just for that small piece of driving excitement. No matter who saids what, we know what the interior will look like as production is about underway. I can't believe how many of you are such die hard for this vehicle that nothing will change your mind and interest.

We don't have to mention whether the interior is great or not.... we just need to question whether it's justifiable for $30,000 plus. I feel the design is not worth that much.

As it stand and based on all the criteria, it's not a justifiable purchase for me. A better selection would be the new Hard top Turbo Solstice or the Sky for the price of $30,000.

By the way, a 6 Banger does not get you any better per gallon over an 8... this was a tough decision for me to make when purchasing the G8 over a G6. I wanted Horsepower over the 2 mpg difference. Owning one of these 8 bangers will be like the wealthy owning a Lambo V12, pulling it out for a cruise once in a while from the garage.


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Old 06-27-2008 | 12:14 PM
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Originally Posted by MatthewRox
A better selection would be the new Hard top Turbo Solstice or the Sky for the price of $30,000.
For me, I think it's more than a justifiable purchase. I'm not looking for a fuel-economy focused vehicle, but I WILL be comparing fuel economy within its class. I want a sporty 4-seater, preferably with a V8, but I'm definitely not against the more frugal V6 (I can't imagine any average buyer that wouldn't want the V6). It will be my daily-driver for a year or two, then it'll become a weekend cruiser.

As for the Twins...nice cars for sure, but I want two more seats, and a useable trunk. I think you get so much more for your dollar out of a Camaro, than you'll ever get from a Solstice/Sky. A ~3mpg deficet for opting for the V8 really doesn't bother me much at all.........
Old 06-27-2008 | 12:21 PM
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Where are people getting these $7.00 a gallon numbers from? Is this just speculation out of thin air?
Old 06-27-2008 | 12:26 PM
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As it stand and based on all the criteria, it's not a justifiable purchase for me.
Key word being FOR YOU. People are in many situations financially. Some
will be able to afford the overall cost and some will not. It's that simple.
Old 06-27-2008 | 12:27 PM
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Where are people getting these $7.00 a gallon numbers from? Is this just speculation out of thin air?
Yeah, I as thinking the same thing.
Old 06-27-2008 | 12:44 PM
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I don't think they are pulling them out of thin air. I think that those are projected peaks before new offshore drilling and other alternate means for acquiring fuel domestically can force the price of gas down.

My problem is that the Camaro only seats 4. I understand the benefits of having two seats in the back but if the Camaro could seat 5 (legally) I would have a much easier job of justifying the purchase.

I hate to think that I might have to consider a Challenger but I just might have to. Or even worse, a sedan.
Old 06-27-2008 | 12:45 PM
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More Camaros for the rest of us!
Old 06-27-2008 | 01:08 PM
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Wink The Good Old Day................

At $4.50 already and the price per barrow is still going up. Gas has doubled in price within the past 3 years. When I purchased the G8, there was a waiting list for the Challenger at Dodge with a 15% markup in price. Checking yesterday, I see there are no more markup for they are not selling as expected here in California.

What happen to the good old days of a full bench seat in front and straight through seat in the rear as well. Everything is 2 + 2 these days when it comes to sport coupe.

I see the Mustang will also be producing a glass top roof for selection...

Matthew

Originally Posted by Primus
I don't think they are pulling them out of thin air. I think that those are projected peaks before new offshore drilling and other alternate means for acquiring fuel domestically can force the price of gas down.



I hate to think that I might have to consider a Challenger but I just might have to. Or even worse, a sedan.
Old 06-27-2008 | 01:21 PM
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Thumbs up Limited Function

You can not be more correct when it comes to a 4 seater over a 2. 2 seaters are just cruising individual weekend warrior vehicles.

Despite today's manufacturing and technology, I'm still amazed that my G8 is not giving off super good MPG compared to my 2001 Trans Am.



Originally Posted by Dragoneye
For me, I think it's more than a justifiable purchase. I'm not looking for a fuel-economy focused vehicle, but I WILL be comparing fuel economy within its class. I want a sporty 4-seater, preferably with a V8, but I'm definitely not against the more frugal V6 (I can't imagine any average buyer that wouldn't want the V6). It will be my daily-driver for a year or two, then it'll become a weekend cruiser.

As for the Twins...nice cars for sure, but I want two more seats, and a useable trunk. I think you get so much more for your dollar out of a Camaro, than you'll ever get from a Solstice/Sky. A ~3mpg deficet for opting for the V8 really doesn't bother me much at all.........
Old 06-27-2008 | 01:28 PM
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By the way, a 6 Banger does not get you any better per gallon over an 8... this was a tough decision for me to make when purchasing the G8 over a G6. I wanted Horsepower over the 2 mpg difference. Owning one of these 8 bangers will be like the wealthy owning a Lambo V12, pulling it out for a cruise once in a while from the garage.
Yes it does. Maybe not as much as one would expect in the G8, but it should have a decent mpg advantage over the V8 in the Camaro (different V6 than the G8). And I think you're over-exaggerating the future of the V8.......

btw, you still haven't said; what's the abysmal fuel economy you're getting with the G8 (mpg's), and what kind of driving do you do?
Old 06-27-2008 | 01:30 PM
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Originally Posted by MatthewRox

If your new Camaro is not a daily driver, why bother ownership? If it's your daily driver, you will feel it emptying your pocket book at the pump. Either way, it's a loser.
WHAT? why are you here? Another one of your "OMG, the sky is falling" threads.

Look, if you can't afford to buy a camaro or put gas in a V8, I'm sorry. Life sucks, the economy sucks, gas prices suck...go buy something you can afford...but why try and spoil it for everyone else?

I like the Sky...but it's not like it gets 35mpg...the Sky redline is rated at 19/28mpg...probably close to what a DI-V6 camaro will get (certainly within 1-2mpg)....not enough to sway too many camaro buyers.

I'm still going to buy an SS as a weekend car...I don't care what the gas prices will be (and NO, they wont be $7/gal this time next year)...either way the 5th gen will be better on gas than my DD SUV (and 1000% better than my last "weekend" car)...so I'll be happy.

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Old 06-27-2008 | 01:34 PM
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California.
There's your problem.
Old 06-27-2008 | 01:37 PM
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Originally Posted by JasonD
Where are people getting these $7.00 a gallon numbers from? Is this just speculation out of thin air?
It could be $2/ gal next year for all we know.

Everyone is entitled to their own opinion. I however just bought a V8 Camaro as my daily......I pick it up in 5 hours
Old 06-27-2008 | 01:37 PM
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Originally Posted by JasonD
Where are people getting these $7.00 a gallon numbers from? Is this just speculation out of thin air?
2010 (2009) Camaro plus 60 - 72 month lease, so in 2014-2015 when most would actually own the car I could picture gas being $7 a gallon if it keeps going up like it has been the past few years.
Old 06-27-2008 | 01:49 PM
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I'm amazed at how little research people do before they start the whole sky is falling thing..

According to the fueleconomy.gov for model year 2008, there are 14, count them 14 vehicles that get a combined 30MPG or better (just for reference there are 288 vehicles that get better than 20MPG combined).

That aint much of a choice is there? Its going to be just as long to get those high MPG vehicles out as it will to drill or fix the economy. SO if your hurting with gas prices the way they are now, be prepared to hurt for quite a bit longer unless you are going to pigeon hole your choices down to 14 vehicles.

I like a MAJORITY of others, bought vehicles we wanted, and pay the price at the pump. ANY increase in mileage for us would bring relief. I don't need relief, I'm good financially until $10/gal, but I'm also not the normal consumer.



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