Justifiable Purchase
06-27-2008 | 02:50 PM
#16
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OH MY GOD!!! I Am so sick of all this gas price bs.
I know I alwasy get better than what the mopg rating says. And if you are getting less you need to learn how to drive to get your best mpg. if 2-8 miles per gallon are killing you then you have bigger issues to worry about than gas prices. I don't like the price of gas but it is what it is. It amazes me that people will go out once or twice a week have a few drinks and spend 80 to 100 dollars on beer, drinks ect. or go to the movies and that would easily cost atleast $50 or more for two hours but complian and cry about 40 to 60 $'s for gas in a car and 90$ for an suv once a week or week in a half. do the math gas is cheaper.
The people that do all the complaining are the same people that would drive 5- 10 miles to find the gas thats 5 cents a gallon cheaper. now thats smart lets drive around and waste a half gallon of gas ($2) to save 5 cents a gallaon (.75 on a 15 gallon tank) now that makes sense.
Know back to is it worth buying that camaro.....it is a personal choice to me yes. I don't drive a whole heck of alot about 12k a year it will be my daily driver have v8 know it sucks on gas but im not about to go buy a cobalt or aveo or hybrid pay more a month couse of the negative equity or mark up on hybrid to get a few more mgs. If I was driving 20k a year then a small car might cross my mind. but for now I am so in on getting a camaro v8 baby.
and sorry for the long post.
I know I alwasy get better than what the mopg rating says. And if you are getting less you need to learn how to drive to get your best mpg. if 2-8 miles per gallon are killing you then you have bigger issues to worry about than gas prices. I don't like the price of gas but it is what it is. It amazes me that people will go out once or twice a week have a few drinks and spend 80 to 100 dollars on beer, drinks ect. or go to the movies and that would easily cost atleast $50 or more for two hours but complian and cry about 40 to 60 $'s for gas in a car and 90$ for an suv once a week or week in a half. do the math gas is cheaper. The people that do all the complaining are the same people that would drive 5- 10 miles to find the gas thats 5 cents a gallon cheaper. now thats smart lets drive around and waste a half gallon of gas ($2) to save 5 cents a gallaon (.75 on a 15 gallon tank) now that makes sense.
Know back to is it worth buying that camaro.....it is a personal choice to me yes. I don't drive a whole heck of alot about 12k a year it will be my daily driver have v8 know it sucks on gas but im not about to go buy a cobalt or aveo or hybrid pay more a month couse of the negative equity or mark up on hybrid to get a few more mgs. If I was driving 20k a year then a small car might cross my mind. but for now I am so in on getting a camaro v8 baby.
and sorry for the long post.
06-27-2008 | 04:25 PM
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The point is ....
There are a lot less enthusiast than are average car buyers. The economy is what it is.... And that is exactly the point why would someone buy a 25 to 35 thousand dollar car that in reality is a situational car with gas being almost the equivalent of half the car payment. I am not talking about enthusiast I am talking about average joe, to whom the life of the camaro is directly tied to. I hate beating a dead dog but this all boils down to horrrrrrribbbble timing on gm's
part you have now squandered your opportunity....All the CIA secrecy tactics and the hiatus of the redesign and even the greenlighting of the model. Sorry for the rant I have expressed my feelings before. Despite my tone I really want to see the camaro do well but I think gms decision to take time is ultimately going to doom this model... I always thought it was best to be ahead of the curve not behind....anyway good luck Gm I hope You guys can make it work.
part you have now squandered your opportunity....All the CIA secrecy tactics and the hiatus of the redesign and even the greenlighting of the model. Sorry for the rant I have expressed my feelings before. Despite my tone I really want to see the camaro do well but I think gms decision to take time is ultimately going to doom this model... I always thought it was best to be ahead of the curve not behind....anyway good luck Gm I hope You guys can make it work.
06-27-2008 | 04:36 PM
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GM along with its counterpart Ford has been hit big in recent months with poor sales. GM closed down countless plants and laid many of people off as well. Fuel price has killed a big part of their sales, thus the intention of 4 cylinder Camaros.
You can count on V8 Camaros not making the sales, I doubt V6 will do any better. I say this, for at $7.00 a gallon, consumer will go with 4 Cylinders. I am not very pleased with the V8s for they consume fuel very poorly with today's engine...... not good MPG is what I'm pointing at (I own a new Pontiac G8 and 2001 WS6 Tran AM parked in the garage that I'm comparing too.... I also own a 4 banger Saturn and a V8 Expedition).
If your new Camaro is not a daily driver, why bother ownership? If it's your daily driver, you will feel it emptying your pocket book at the pump. Either way, it's a loser.
I missed my 2000 Trans Am that I traded in for the G8, but quite please driving the 4 Cylinder Saturn at the moment. I only fuel up every 3 to 4 weeks.
I had big intentions to purchase the Camaro upon release, but with the current gas price, it's not worth it just for that small piece of driving excitement. No matter who saids what, we know what the interior will look like as production is about underway. I can't believe how many of you are such die hard for this vehicle that nothing will change your mind and interest.
We don't have to mention whether the interior is great or not.... we just need to question whether it's justifiable for $30,000 plus. I feel the design is not worth that much.
As it stand and based on all the criteria, it's not a justifiable purchase for me. A better selection would be the new Hard top Turbo Solstice or the Sky for the price of $30,000.
By the way, a 6 Banger does not get you any better per gallon over an 8... this was a tough decision for me to make when purchasing the G8 over a G6. I wanted Horsepower over the 2 mpg difference. Owning one of these 8 bangers will be like the wealthy owning a Lambo V12, pulling it out for a cruise once in a while from the garage.
You can count on V8 Camaros not making the sales, I doubt V6 will do any better. I say this, for at $7.00 a gallon, consumer will go with 4 Cylinders. I am not very pleased with the V8s for they consume fuel very poorly with today's engine...... not good MPG is what I'm pointing at (I own a new Pontiac G8 and 2001 WS6 Tran AM parked in the garage that I'm comparing too.... I also own a 4 banger Saturn and a V8 Expedition).
If your new Camaro is not a daily driver, why bother ownership? If it's your daily driver, you will feel it emptying your pocket book at the pump. Either way, it's a loser.
I missed my 2000 Trans Am that I traded in for the G8, but quite please driving the 4 Cylinder Saturn at the moment. I only fuel up every 3 to 4 weeks.
I had big intentions to purchase the Camaro upon release, but with the current gas price, it's not worth it just for that small piece of driving excitement. No matter who saids what, we know what the interior will look like as production is about underway. I can't believe how many of you are such die hard for this vehicle that nothing will change your mind and interest.
We don't have to mention whether the interior is great or not.... we just need to question whether it's justifiable for $30,000 plus. I feel the design is not worth that much.
As it stand and based on all the criteria, it's not a justifiable purchase for me. A better selection would be the new Hard top Turbo Solstice or the Sky for the price of $30,000.
By the way, a 6 Banger does not get you any better per gallon over an 8... this was a tough decision for me to make when purchasing the G8 over a G6. I wanted Horsepower over the 2 mpg difference. Owning one of these 8 bangers will be like the wealthy owning a Lambo V12, pulling it out for a cruise once in a while from the garage.
Last thing one bad move you can make is to go on a Camaro enthusiast board and down talk the Camaro. Talking about our Camaro is like talking about our mother.
06-27-2008 | 04:38 PM
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There are a lot less enthusiast than are average car buyers. The economy is what it is.... And that is exactly the point why would someone buy a 25 to 35 thousand dollar car that in reality is a situational car with gas being almost the equivalent of half the car payment. I am not talking about enthusiast I am talking about average joe, to whom the life of the camaro is directly tied to. I hate beating a dead dog but this all boils down to horrrrrrribbbble timing on gm's
part you have now squandered your opportunity....All the CIA secrecy tactics and the hiatus of the redesign and even the greenlighting of the model. Sorry for the rant I have expressed my feelings before. Despite my tone I really want to see the camaro do well but I think gms decision to take time is ultimately going to doom this model... I always thought it was best to be ahead of the curve not behind....anyway good luck Gm I hope You guys can make it work.
part you have now squandered your opportunity....All the CIA secrecy tactics and the hiatus of the redesign and even the greenlighting of the model. Sorry for the rant I have expressed my feelings before. Despite my tone I really want to see the camaro do well but I think gms decision to take time is ultimately going to doom this model... I always thought it was best to be ahead of the curve not behind....anyway good luck Gm I hope You guys can make it work.
06-27-2008 | 04:39 PM
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06-27-2008 | 04:39 PM
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It amazes me that people will go out once or twice a week have a few drinks and spend 80 to 100 dollars on beer, drinks ect. or go to the movies and that would easily cost atleast $50 or more for two hours but complian and cry about 40 to 60 $'s for gas in a car and 90$ for an suv once a week or week in a half. do the math gas is cheaper.
06-27-2008 | 05:35 PM
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The Sacrifice
Correct enough... I know you guys are Die Hard Camaro potential..... nothing can sway you... and pointing certain things out for discussion is good.........
I got Rid of one of my TA to purchase the G8 for my wife since I didn't want to correct the leak in steering pinion. I was looking to trade that TA in for the new Camaro when it comes out. I couldn't wait any longer for the vehicle began to have very rough idle at time etc............. so instead of buying the wife a Mercedes, I took the sacrifice to get the G8 when it came out.
I got Rid of one of my TA to purchase the G8 for my wife since I didn't want to correct the leak in steering pinion. I was looking to trade that TA in for the new Camaro when it comes out. I couldn't wait any longer for the vehicle began to have very rough idle at time etc............. so instead of buying the wife a Mercedes, I took the sacrifice to get the G8 when it came out.
06-27-2008 | 05:40 PM
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Line Drop
Correct you are.. situational weekend vehicle purchase from enthusiast will not make the sales. Based on fuel price and the economy, buyers of the time are looking for more efficient burning vehicle.. and thus GM wants to get the 4 banger Camaro production rolling to salvage.
GM and Ford are caught behind by surprise this time around in their manufacturing. The Camaro is being manufactured in rough time.
I'm thinking that GM is happy they decided to drop the Trans Am line.
GM and Ford are caught behind by surprise this time around in their manufacturing. The Camaro is being manufactured in rough time.
I'm thinking that GM is happy they decided to drop the Trans Am line.
There are a lot less enthusiast than are average car buyers. The economy is what it is.... And that is exactly the point why would someone buy a 25 to 35 thousand dollar car that in reality is a situational car with gas being almost the equivalent of half the car payment. I am not talking about enthusiast I am talking about average joe, guys can make it work.
06-27-2008 | 05:44 PM
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The good thing about high gas prices is the people who whine about it and aren't really into cars or driving anyways will buy the 4cyl or hybrid or just any old car that gets good MPG. Demand for gas will hopefully go down and gas prices will lower and there will be lots more cheap gas for me and my V8.
06-27-2008 | 05:49 PM
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Weight Factor?
Not sure if you know..... but the G8 is the V8 L76 with 364 Horses.
Best I can do with that vehicle is HIGHWAY 70 mph @ 24 miles per gallon..... you take the vehicle up to 80, you only get 18. And we are speaking cylinder deactivation here? hahahah Thumbs up my TA get better mileage.... could it be the weight factor of the G8. Honestly, the 0 to 60 is a thrill.... I can't imagine that thrill you would get in the new Camaro with this type of Horses stock.................................
My wife drives this vehicle the majority of the time.... and she does pratically only city throughout the week. No highway needed. I don't feel the engine burns very efficiently.
Yah we can pay at the pump, but if we had the choice, would we want to? That's the question.
Best I can do with that vehicle is HIGHWAY 70 mph @ 24 miles per gallon..... you take the vehicle up to 80, you only get 18. And we are speaking cylinder deactivation here? hahahah Thumbs up my TA get better mileage.... could it be the weight factor
of the G8. Honestly, the 0 to 60 is a thrill.... I can't imagine that thrill you would get in the new Camaro with this type of Horses stock.................................My wife drives this vehicle the majority of the time.... and she does pratically only city throughout the week. No highway needed. I don't feel the engine burns very efficiently.
Yah we can pay at the pump, but if we had the choice, would we want to? That's the question.
Yes it does. Maybe not as much as one would expect in the G8, but it should have a decent mpg advantage over the V8 in the Camaro (different V6 than the G8). And I think you're over-exaggerating the future of the V8.......
btw, you still haven't said; what's the abysmal fuel economy you're getting with the G8 (mpg's), and what kind of driving do you do?
btw, you still haven't said; what's the abysmal fuel economy you're getting with the G8 (mpg's), and what kind of driving do you do?
06-27-2008 | 05:52 PM
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Same Run
70 MPH at 24 MPG
80 MPG and you will get only 18
I expected at least 28 to 30.
You can expect the same from the new Camaro if it is running the L76 engine.
0 to 60 time stock will feel much quicker than the 4th gen Camaro and Trans Am. Honestly, it's faster right off the block.
80 MPG and you will get only 18
I expected at least 28 to 30.
You can expect the same from the new Camaro if it is running the L76 engine.
0 to 60 time stock will feel much quicker than the 4th gen Camaro and Trans Am. Honestly, it's faster right off the block.
06-27-2008 | 05:55 PM
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Your opinion is different from mine. However, this is why GM needs a complete line-up. If a Camaro (in any form) does not meet your needs, they need to have something else for you. If gas hits 7 dollars a gallon, a prius would not even be good enough. Technolgy will follow. Right now, I feel the MPG's of all Camaro's will be competitive. I'm more focused on quality and performance being above average in this car.
06-27-2008 | 05:56 PM
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Chit man!
Chit man! Tell me about it... I have a clean 11,000 mile 2001 Red Trans Am in my garage that has never been in the rain and has not been washed for close to a year......... thus I feel appropriately to phrase this thread knowing the Die Hard Camaro Enthuse on this forum.